Warhead01 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) Follow this link to fine the most current list. >>> where the fun really begins. Edited July 28, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) List 2 Warboss with killa Klaw and combi schorcha. - 95Weridboy - 75 KFF Big Mek with oiler - 65 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Grots X 15 - 75. Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Kommandos X5 - 55 mandatory power klaw. Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 90 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 90 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 90 Mek gunz Bubble chukkas x3 150 Burna Bomber 165 Burna Bomber 165 Goff clan. Battalion 2000 point exact.CP base + Battalion.CP spent. Biggest boss, scar boys, CP remaining Notes.Need to look up leaving the bombers off the table on turn 1 and anything tellyported in from off table. Had another adjustment. didn't realize the power klaw was mandatory for the Kommando Bossnob. Paid for with grots. Edited March 31, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5684957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 Yet another try. with several adjustments. Warboss with killa Klaw and combi schorcha. - 95Weridboy - 75 KFF Big Mek with oiler - 65 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Grots X 15 - 75. Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Mek gunz Bubble chukkas x2 Smasha gun X2 180 Gorkanaut with KFF 340Goffs, Skarboys Killa Klaw, Biggest Boss, Maybe something to help the dread mob if there is such a thing, Warp head. If the KFF Mek could still get a Kustom shoota I'd give him the relic for all that Dakka. Same as before 2000 points aimed for. I'd like to take this for a spin. I thought to drop the Bombas because we're playing on the "new Minimum table sizes" Because "competitive" bal bla bla. I realized after yet another read over the Deff dreads that I should up them to two Dread Klaws and not one of each Klaw and Saw. Not a horrible list I guess. Half heartedly wanted to trade my KFF Mek over for a Mega KFF Mek to bring a model I like but it's not that important really. Future aims are to try to get a Bone Breaker into the list which is almost 200 points. Have to see how the dreads work out first. But that's all still competing for more Boys in the list. I'm not a competitive player but I want to bring a sharp list. No Ghaz as I have a distaste for special characters and don't own that model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5689146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) Another weird idea. Warboss with killa Klaw and combi schorcha. - 95Weridboy - 75 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X10 choppas/power klaw nob 90Boys X10 choppas/power klaw nob 90 Boys X10 choppas/power klaw nob 90 Boys X10 choppas/Big choppa nob 85 Boys X10 choppas/Big Choppa nob 85 935 KFF Big Mek with oiler - 65 * Grots X 10 - 50* Grots X 10 - 50 Grots X 10 - 50* Waaagh banner Nob 85 Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Mek gunz Bubble chukkas x2 Smasha gun X3 220 Gorkanaut with KFF 340 Trukk 65 Trukk 65 Trukk 65 This should be a Battalion and a *Patrol detachment.2000 points. Still goofing around with this mess. Looking a little more and it might be good to drop a Trukk and spend those points on 1 more Deff Kopta 35 and a single Mek 30 = 65 points then divide the Mek guns to turn this into a Brigade. All the boys in the battalion will try to mob up with the first big mob and hos table space and objectives. the trukks and fast stuff will try to push to forward objectives. The boys can use da jump to shift around to objectives or mass evacuation. Huge mob gains buffs from banner and pain boy and hide behind the grots if need be. Lots of models but should be easy to play. ? Edited April 16, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5689343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 Warboss with killa Klaw and combi schorcha. - 95Weridboy - 75 KFF Big Mek with oiler - 65 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Grots X 15 - 75. Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with big shootas 35 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Mek gunz Bubble chukkas x1 Smasha gun X3 KMK X1 235List 3 changed dropped the Morkanaut for 3 more Deff Dreads and a KMK after the points refund and shuffle>Need to see how many Deff Dreads I own I know I have 4 but do I have more I don't recall.. May try to run just 4 and respend the extra points. Not really sure I want to buy any more Deff dreads. So expecting a 190 point refund/respend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5690350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) I played this list but got this and a previous list confued. I'd had this in front of me to look a and still got it wrong. Too many thumps to the head I guess. Instead of fielding the Morkanaut I fielded 3 Deff Dreads so I was under in points. by 55 points. So I am looking at yet another weird and pointless change to this pile of models. I want to put in another Bubble Chukka for 50 points leaving 5 left to spend somewhere. I'd like to find another 35 points for add in 8 big shootas, each boys mob would get their fill. I realize they aren't very good but I'd like to give it a try. dropping some Power klaws from 3 nobs would give me 30 point, total 35 of the 40 needed. Might try tradingthe last power klaw down for a big chopps for that last 5 points. 8 Big shootas. Probably don't need that many. ( * see below.) Brigade. Starts with 16 CP - - Spends 10 CP base mustering the army Warboss with killa Klaw and combi schorcha. - 95 Biggest BossWeridboy - 75 - Warp head KFF Big Mek with oiler - 65 KFF strat on turn 1 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 - Skarboys Boys X10 choppas/power klaw nob 90* - SkarboysBoys X10 choppas/power klaw nob 90* - Skarboys Boys X10 choppas/power klaw nob 90* - Skarboys Boys X10 choppas/Big choppa nob 85* - Skarboys Boys X10 choppas/Big Choppa nob 85* - Skarboys Grots X 10 - 50 Grots X 10 - 50 Grots X 10 - 50 Waaagh banner Nob 85 - Shiny shoota from Gubbins strat Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Mek with KM-Slugga - 30 Deff Kopta with Big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with Big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with Big shootas 35 Mek gunz Bubble chukkas x2 Smasha gun X3 220 - Kustom Job - Sparkly bitz Gorkanaut with KFF 340 * Trukk 65 Trukk 65 2000 points. Alt change drop Morkanaut for the following. Deff Dreads X3 Klaws and Big shootas. No Kustom jobs. No CP spent on the dreads. moves the total Cp down to 9 spent mustering the army starts turn 1 with 7 CP. Smasha Gun. X1 15 points remaining. Drop 2 Big choppas from last two listed Bos mobs and trad the power klaws down for big choppas from the next 3 mobs. For a total of 25 points reclaimed 15+ 25 = 40 points for 8 Big shootas added divided between all the boys mobs. Not a competitive list as such but probably a good time against a SM army that is not just tooled to kill Orks. Edited April 29, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5693336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted May 1, 2021 Author Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) List finalized after looking over my models. Not a big change. Brigade. Starts with 16 CP - - Spends 10 CP base mustering the army Warboss with killa Klaw and combi schorcha. - 95 Biggest BossWeridboy - 75 - Warp head KFF Big Mek with oiler - 65 KFF strat on turn 1 Boys X 30 choppas -11 with shootas- 3 big shootas /power klaw nob 250 - Skarboys Boys X10 choppas- 1 Big shoota/Big Choppa nob 90* - SkarboysBoys X10 choppas- 1 Big Shoota/Big Choppa nob 90* - Skarboys Boys X10 choppas-1 Big Shoota/Big Choppa nob 90* - Skarboys Boys X10 shootasa nob 80* - Skarboys Boys X10 shootas nob 80* - Skarboys Grots X 10 - 50 Grots X 10 - 50 Grots X 10 - 50 Waaagh banner Nob 85 - Shiny shoota from Gubbins strat Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Mek with KM-Slugga - 30 Deff Kopta with Big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with Big shootas 35 Deff Kptta with Big shootas 35 Mek gunz Bubble chukkas x3 150 Smasha gun X3 120 Deff Dreads X3 Klaws and Big shootas 285 Trukk 65 Trukk 65 2000 points. I really like this list right now but have another change in the works to make it less competitive. I could drop a Bubble chukka and a Smasha Gun from each mek gunz to ass 10 more boys with Big shoota and Choppas and Big choppa Nob. I need to look into adding a kustom shoota to every nob, if possible. I keep getting ideas when I don't have my book at hand. Also considering dropping the Dreads for 6 Kans but it's a back burner idea right now. Need to keep them to about 50 points each and drum up the remaining 15 point to give me the 300 points needed. Probably have to drop the big shootas from 3 mobs or 3 from the Big mob, which might be the most reasonable idea for the trade. I need to look at the Power level for this list and these units. Maybe move to Power Level in the future for fun. Edited May 1, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5693848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 WIP Warboss Warphead Big KFF Mek MANZGrots Shoota Boys Pain Boy Tank Bustas Storm boysStorm boysDeff Koptas DeffDread DeffDreadBattle wagonBurna BombaBurna BombaTrukk Trykk Warboss with killa Klaw and combi schorcha. - 95Weridboy - 75 KFF Big Mek with oiler - 65 Exrra HQ ? Re Structure all boys mobs. Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 3 X 10 Boys X 30 choppas/power klaw nob 250 3 X 10 Grots X20 - 100 Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Deff Kptta with rokkits 50 Deff Kptta with rokkits 50 Deff Dreds big shootas Klaws 95 Deff Dreds big shootas Klaws 95 Deff Dreds big shootas Klaws 95 3 singles ? Mek gunz Bubble chukkas x3 150 Burna Bomber 165 Burna Bomber 165 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5702302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) never mind the gibberish above.Lets see.2000 points of garbage. Warboss with killa Klaw and combi shoota 83Weridboy - 75 Big Mek with S.A.G. 120 Boys X 30 Shootas 240 Boys X 30 Shootas 240 Grots X10 - 50 Grots X10 - 50 Grots X10 - 50 Grots X10 - 50 Pain boy with power klaw - 65 Pain boy with power Klaw - 65 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Deff Dreds big shootas all around 95 Gorkanaut with KFF 340 *1998 wipKinda sorted this mess out for now. Will try it tomorrow as Clan Deff Skulls. We'll see if the lucky blue gitz are actually lucky.So Battalion. Killa Klaw. Giggest boss. Warp head Sparkly bits For the Gork.Out flank for 30 boys. Or, Telly porta 3 dreads. Need to sort that out pre game. May use ard boys, both mobs. Hopefully that SAG will show off tomorrow. Edited June 23, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5713454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 9th edition Ork codes army lists start here. Goff clan. 2000 points. (12 Cp.) War boss. SAG Mek KFF Mek Weird boy Weird boy MANZ X 3 ? ? ? Pain boy Pain boy WAAAGH BannerBurna boys Big shoota spanna 5 - 10 Burna boys Big shoota Spanna 5 - 10 Burna Boys Spanna Big Shoota 5 - 10 Grots 10 ( 50 points ) Grots 10 Grots 10 Runt hearder? Boys X10 with rokits. + shootas (100 points ) Boys X10 with rokits. + shootas Boys X10 with rokits. + shootas Boys X10 with rokits. + choppas Boys X10 with rokits. + choppas Boys X10 with Rokits + choppas Deff Koptas 3 Storm boys 5 - 20 Storm boys 5 - 20 Storm boys 5 - 20 War bikers 3 - 5 War Bikers 3 - 5 Killa Kans X 6 Mekguns Bubble chukkas X 3 Deff dreads X 3 Deff dreads X 3Lootas + Spanna Big shootaLootas + Spanna Big shoota Burna Bomba Dakka Jet Trukk TrukkI'll sort this out after I run the numbers. This is what I want but we'll see what I can squeeze in. right now this may be a Battalions and a patrol or two Battalions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5723671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgascoine011 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 What is MANZ? Do you mean meganobz? You have too many pain boys. The perfect number for the number or pain Boyz is 0...they are trash Same with the waaaagh banner nob. You will need to take 2 detachments anyway so why not just take a 2nd warboss that is actually good. Don’t bother with the runt herd. He makes trash units slightly less trash Why rockkits on the Boyz? And why shootas? Go all choppaz. Lootas are also pointless now. Also your going goffs so tech into the combat more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5723855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 What is MANZ? Do you mean meganobz? You have too many pain boys. The perfect number for the number or pain Boyz is 0...they are trash Same with the waaaagh banner nob. You will need to take 2 detachments anyway so why not just take a 2nd warboss that is actually good. Don’t bother with the runt herd. He makes trash units slightly less trash Why rockkits on the Boyz? And why shootas? Go all choppaz. Lootas are also pointless now. Also your going goffs so tech into the combat more I'm going to try to answer your questions. Yes MANZ is short for MeganobZ It's a carry over from the now shut down Da WAAAH forums. I've been calling them MANZ for 20+ years, old habits. The pain boy, one of them, is to run around with the MANZ to help them stay up as they have more than 1 wound. The other is meant to maybe help single wound models or run after my Warboss and weird boys. Why the WAAGH Banner, he has a kustom shoota and I want to stick the Relic shoota on him and keep him with the bulk of my shooting. I don't know if I even need the runt heard, I just want them to stick around long enough to grot shield my blob of boys mobs. Rokits. Well, they are D3 now the average being 2 shots so with average rolls and some luck I think they will have a meaningful impact now. I'm thinking about Big shootas as well some kind of mix of the two between all the mobs. I like shootas and I have put Choppas mobs in my "wish list" But here the thing. I have had games where I have been bottled up and needed to shoot further than 12", shootas do that. Yes AP-1 choppas are good, well better than a shoota. The will hit and wound and slay more. It is known. What they can't do is hit targets further than 3" away. Lootas are amazing now. I can move them and shoot with them and they have reach. If we weren't saddled with this stupid rule of three I would run probably 6 mobs of 5. My list will have plenty of close combat ability and isn't dependent on any one trick to make it work. Shooting is as important, I've played all choppas for years and have learned that it's not necessary, too often I end up with models just standing around doing nothing. Last edition I needed them to provide that extra attack. They don't do that anymore. Why only 1 Warboss. I only run 1 Warboss. Army list in the next post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5723885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) First draft for 9th edition +++ On to bigger and better things. I've run the numbers. My list in the post above was very ambitious and sadly, for me, not all of it fit. I am trying to crush it all down into one battalion.WIP.I would like to give this a try. Warboss 105 Power klaw, Attack squig, kustom shootas. Probably playing the Killa Klaw but can play the Fancy Shoota either or. SAGMek 110 Weirdboy 70 Weird boy 70 40 Boys with - divided 4 mobs of 10 - 360 10 Grots 50 10 Grots 50 5 Burna Boys 60 Spanna has KMB5 Burna Boys 60 Spanna has KMB Pain Boy 70 3 MANZ 105 Deff Koptas 150 10 Storm Boys Power Klaw Nob 120 10 Storm Boys Power Klaw Nob 120 10 Storm Boys Power Klaw Nob 120 5 Lootas 90 Spanna has Big Shoota 5 Lootas 90 Spanna has Big Shoota 1 Mek Gun Bubble Chukka 45 1 Mek Gun Bubble Chukka 45 Dakka Jet 120 2000 points. Battalion + Patrol detachment.CP spent on +1 detachment and ? 11 CP left to spend. Edited July 27, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5723894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgascoine011 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I would really recommend you drop the pain boy, you will be very disappointed with him. The 6+++ does very little. Drop him for a trukk and put the burna boys in it. I would also make the lootas a big squad so you can get more use out of grit shield (and make the grots into 1 large squad. Also unless you make the mega nobz a 5 man unit and put them in a trukk (or better a bone breaka) I wouldn’t bother with them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5724199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) I would really recommend you drop the pain boy, you will be very disappointed with him. The 6+++ does very little. Drop him for a trukk and put the burna boys in it. I would also make the lootas a big squad so you can get more use out of grit shield (and make the grots into 1 large squad. Also unless you make the mega nobz a 5 man unit and put them in a trukk (or better a bone breaka) I wouldn’t bother with them I just saw that the Pain boy has no strats anymore. I was keeping him to use the healing strat not realizing it was gone. Planning to Deepstrike in or Da Jump the MANZ.. I can squeeze in 3 more if I drop the pain boy and 1 Bubble Chukka. it might be possible to add one more SAGMek. Just noticing I may have enough lots filled to just field a Brigade, have to check that. Forgot to address the Lootas. I am avoiding large mobs to protect the units from things with the Blast rule. and several small mobs forces the other player to split their dice, which I have seen help me off and on over they years. I like to present them with poor choices. Yes a trukk or two would be good but I don't know what adjustments I want to make to get them in. I am tempted to drop the Dakka Jet. I would like to field a Bone Breaka. Had found the points for it at one point before posting that list. Costs a lot of points. I need to think about that. Did reread the Deff Rolla though. Could be amazing. Edited July 28, 2021 by Warhead01 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5724255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgascoine011 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 If you combine the grotz and lootas, drop the pain boy for a trukk, and then drop 1 unit of storm Boyz and then maybe one of the wierdboyz that would give you enough for the Bonebreaka and red-roller (I think) Then maybe drop the big mek with sag and increase the nobz to 5/6. Deepstriking in nobz is pretty bad idea. Needing a 9” even with a re-roll is pretty unreliable. Putting them in a Bonebreaka and teleport that means you need 9 on 3D6 (picking two) Don’t worry about blast so much. If a lemun russ is shooting his demolished at your grotz because he can get max hits I would call that a win on your behalf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5724283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 If you combine the grotz and lootas, drop the pain boy for a trukk, and then drop 1 unit of storm Boyz and then maybe one of the wierdboyz that would give you enough for the Bonebreaka and red-roller (I think) Then maybe drop the big mek with sag and increase the nobz to 5/6. Deepstriking in nobz is pretty bad idea. Needing a 9” even with a re-roll is pretty unreliable. Putting them in a Bonebreaka and teleport that means you need 9 on 3D6 (picking two) Don’t worry about blast so much. If a lemun russ is shooting his demolished at your grotz because he can get max hits I would call that a win on your behalf Your killing me here. That's just saying wright a completely different list with out saying wright a completely different list. The only changes I am currently willing to make are to drop the following to respend the points. Pain boy, 1 unit of Lootas or a Mek gun but not both and the dakka Jet, noting else. I have a thing in mind but you don't seem to be able to see it, that's understandable. If I drop a mob of lootas I will add 1 more Bubble Chukka. Leaving 40 points. If I drop the pain boy another 70 - 110. 3 more MANZ come out to the low cost of 105. 2 units of 3, I can work with that. Or, 110 and the dakka jet 120 for 230. that could be 3 trukks or a Bonebreaka and something else. ( maybe some thing not sure what if anything.) leaves 20 points for ? I don't know 4 big shootas or I don't know The second choice leaves 55 points enough for 5 more burna boys. Not planning to drop the SAG Mek, not with BS 4+ and blast. Briefly I had thought to add one more. Right now I am trying to decide between the 3 trukks or the Bonebreaka as the better of the two choices. If I had already rebased my War Bikers or knew I had enough Deff Koptas that would fit the bill I'd consider how to add either. I'ma go count my Deff Koptas.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5724302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgascoine011 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 If you combine the grotz and lootas, drop the pain boy for a trukk, and then drop 1 unit of storm Boyz and then maybe one of the wierdboyz that would give you enough for the Bonebreaka and red-roller (I think) Then maybe drop the big mek with sag and increase the nobz to 5/6. Deepstriking in nobz is pretty bad idea. Needing a 9” even with a re-roll is pretty unreliable. Putting them in a Bonebreaka and teleport that means you need 9 on 3D6 (picking two) Don’t worry about blast so much. If a lemun russ is shooting his demolished at your grotz because he can get max hits I would call that a win on your behalf Your killing me here. That's just saying wright a completely different list with out saying wright a completely different list. The only changes I am currently willing to make are to drop the following to respend the points. Pain boy, 1 unit of Lootas or a Mek gun but not both and the dakka Jet, noting else. I have a thing in mind but you don't seem to be able to see it, that's understandable. If I drop a mob of lootas I will add 1 more Bubble Chukka. Leaving 40 points. If I drop the pain boy another 70 - 110. 3 more MANZ come out to the low cost of 105. 2 units of 3, I can work with that. Or, 110 and the dakka jet 120 for 230. that could be 3 trukks or a Bonebreaka and something else. ( maybe some thing not sure what if anything.) leaves 20 points for ? I don't know 4 big shootas or I don't know The second choice leaves 55 points enough for 5 more burna boys. Not planning to drop the SAG Mek, not with BS 4+ and blast. Briefly I had thought to add one more. Right now I am trying to decide between the 3 trukks or the Bonebreaka as the better of the two choices. If I had already rebased my War Bikers or knew I had enough Deff Koptas that would fit the bill I'd consider how to add either. I'ma go count my Deff Koptas.. I kind of get that you are trying to go for hordes of boyz. I dont know if you want to be semi-competitve or go full fluffy. If you are trying to be semi-competitve then i would highly recommed you do not go for this list as it quite frankly sucks. If you are trying to go full fluffy then it is ok, I am just trying to give you my advice to make the list slightly more interesting to play as I suspect that you will spend ages building and possibly painting this army and get bored with it very quickly. If you are taking burna boyz then they need a trukk. Lootas are terrible because they lost 2 strats (more dakka and shoot twice) Right now, 10 (plus the crappy spanner guy) shooting at full capacity is 30 shots, 10 hit, vs a standard rhino thats a whopping 4 wounds. You need 30 lootas to kill 1 rhino, thats pretty poop. Then if you go against admech, sisters, salamanders, etc which can ignore AP-1/2 they do even worse. But if you are going to take them, maybe drop the useless grots and take them in a trukk so they dont get shot of the board. This is all advice if you want to go fluffy. But i can suspect you will not find this list fun to play and will become very dissapointed with it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5724322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 I kind of get that you are trying to go for hordes of boyz. I dont know if you want to be semi-competitve or go full fluffy. If you are trying to be semi-competitve then i would highly recommed you do not go for this list as it quite frankly sucks. If you are trying to go full fluffy then it is ok, I am just trying to give you my advice to make the list slightly more interesting to play as I suspect that you will spend ages building and possibly painting this army and get bored with it very quickly. If you are taking burna boyz then they need a trukk. Lootas are terrible because they lost 2 strats (more dakka and shoot twice) Right now, 10 (plus the crappy spanner guy) shooting at full capacity is 30 shots, 10 hit, vs a standard rhino thats a whopping 4 wounds. You need 30 lootas to kill 1 rhino, thats pretty poop. Then if you go against admech, sisters, salamanders, etc which can ignore AP-1/2 they do even worse. But if you are going to take them, maybe drop the useless grots and take them in a trukk so they dont get shot of the board. This is all advice if you want to go fluffy. But i can suspect you will not find this list fun to play and will become very dissapointed with it If you read the title of this thread you can see this isn't a competitive list, this is intentional right now. I have one friend who is a very casual player and I need this to be fun to play and fun to fight against. I don't want to give him a lot of "feels bads" during our games. I will amp this up a bit more for my competitive friend, my Usual scrumgrod. but only after I relearn Orks. I have been collecting and paint ork for a very very long time I started in 1998 with Orks for 3rd edittion. My collections is effectively complete. So much so that after 7th edition I started selling off all the stuff I was never going to use again as I had too much to play any reasonable game of 8th edition. during 7th our minimum game size was 5000 points and I have easily fielded 10000 points for a non apocalypse 40K games and still had models left at home. So don't worry about that, I have it covered beyond triplicate. I think that's 90 or 120 shoota boys and150 slugga boys last I looked. I sold off about 200 over the last few years. Downsizing my addiction to a more reasonable size. Yes, burna boys in Trukks are old hat. I am still giving it though even now, if I pick to use trukks over that Bonebreaka. Lootas have 1 strat for shooting now. I recall they had already lot shooting twice in an faq during 8th and can't recall that being allowed again during 9th and they lost, along with ever other not boys mob, lost Mob up in the same faq. Don't play Bad moons so don't know what else they lost out on. The lootas can now move and shoot and while it's not very good what they can do is start to soften up targets I wish to charge with other units and stand on Objectives. some foolish character wonders into the wrong position and will be pelted with dakka at ST 7 Ap-2 2D. which will shuck for them if and when those get through. I may throw some of that at a rhino but only if I plan to have something charging it right after. The spanner can still have that free big shoota which is still several shots. I need to try the grots to get a feel for what I can do with them. I have in the recent past screened and blocked a few charges with as few as 4 remaining grots, stopping like 9 or more Ogryn from hitting my blob of boys letting me decide the charge the next turn. So we'll see, if they don't work very well after a game or two I am open to dropping at least 10 of them, 5PPM is too much for trash cannon fodder. I used to just string them in front of my army to prevent a turn 1 charge. it was reliable. I will be building several more lists more actively when Battle Scribe updates for Orks. I have in mind one with 45 storm boys and 6 Deff dreads, and just what ever else. I'm disappointed Storm boys are only at max 15 strong now but glad I didn't buy 30 more earlier this year. That would have been sad. With the current points being as low as they are for MANZ I will also try my 30 MANZ list. I'm also tempted to see if the stompa is playable or not. Also thinking about a Nobs list. Nobs in Trukks and Bikers maybe, need to rebase my Bikers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5724331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) The final cut. ++ Warboss 105 Power klaw, Attack squig, kustom shootas. Probably playing the Killa Klaw but can play the Fancy Shoota either or. SAGMek 110 Weirdboy 70 Weird boy 70 50 Boys with - divided 5 mobs of 10 - 450 shootas some, sluggas some. 10 Grots 50 5 Burna Boys, Spanna has Bigshoota 555 Kommandos 50 5 Kommandos 50 Pain Boy 70 3 MANZ 105 Deff Koptas 150 10 Storm Boys Power Klaw Nob 120 10 Storm Boys Power Klaw Nob 120 3 war biker 75 5 Lootas, Spanna has Big Shoota 85 1 Bonebreaka 175 * 1 Mek Gun Bubble Chukka 45 1 Mek Gun Bubble Chukka 45 2000 points. Brigade detachment. Notes for side board. * Can trade out for 2 trukks and 1 more MANZ, or 2 more lootas?. XX End of list. Edited July 30, 2021 by Warhead01 Malakithe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5724624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 First list using the updated Battlescribe.Just for fun for now. Still learning Nu-Batlescribe. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Orks 2021) [128 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] ++ + Configuration [12CP] + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP] Clan Kultur: Goffs Detachment Command Cost Gametype: Matched + HQ [9 PL, -2CP, 175pts] + Warboss [5 PL, 105pts]: 6. Might is Right, Attack Squig [5pts], Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw [10pts], 2x Slugga, Stikkbombs, Warlord Weirdboy [4 PL, -2CP, 70pts]: 3. Da Jump, 4. Brutal but Kunnin, 4. Fists of Gork, Scorched Gitbonez, Stratagem: Big Boss [-1CP], Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz [-1CP], Weirdboy Staff + Troops [17 PL, 289pts] + Boyz [5 PL, 90pts] . Boss Nob [9pts]: Choppa, Choppa, Stikkbombs . 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [81pts]: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs Boyz [10 PL, 149pts] . Boss Nob [14pts]: Big Choppa [5pts], Choppa, Stikkbombs . 15x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [135pts]: 15x Choppa, 15x Slugga, 15x Stikkbombs Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts] . 10x Gretchin [50pts]: 10x Grot Blaster + Elites [34 PL, 334pts] + Kommandos [4 PL, 55pts] . Boss Nob [15pts]: Power Klaw [5pts], Slugga, Stikkbombs . 4x Kommando [40pts]: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs Kommandos [4 PL, 55pts] . Boss Nob [15pts]: Power Klaw [5pts], Slugga, Stikkbombs . 4x Kommando [40pts]: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs Meganobz [18 PL, 105pts] . Boss Meganob [35pts]: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [35pts]: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [35pts]: Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs Tankbustas [8 PL, 119pts] . Boss Nob [17pts]: Rokkit Launcha . 6x Tankbusta [102pts]: 6x Rokkit Launcha + Fast Attack [16 PL, 312pts] + DeffKoptas [6 PL, 150pts] . DeffKopta [50pts]: Kopta Rokkits, Slugga, Spinnin' Blades, Stikkbombs . DeffKopta [50pts]: Kopta Rokkits, Slugga, Spinnin' Blades, Stikkbombs . DeffKopta [50pts]: Kopta Rokkits, Slugga, Spinnin' Blades, Stikkbombs Stormboyz [6 PL, 87pts] . Boss Nob [21pts]: Power Klaw [10pts], Slugga, Stikkbombs . 6x Stormboy [66pts]: 6x Choppa, 6x Slugga, 6x Stikkbombs Warbikers [4 PL, 75pts] . Boss Nob [25pts]: Choppa, 2x Dakkagun . 2x Warbiker [50pts]: 4x Dakkagun + Heavy Support [25 PL, 410pts] + Bonebreaka [10 PL, 195pts]: 4x Big Shoota [20pts], Bonebreaker Ram, Deff Rolla Deff Dreads [12 PL, 170pts] . Deff Dread [6 PL, 85pts]: Big Shoota, Big Shoota, Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw . Deff Dread [6 PL, 85pts]: Big Shoota, Big Shoota, Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw Mek Gunz [3 PL, 45pts] . Mek Gun [3 PL, 45pts]: Bubblechukka + Flyer [15 PL, 270pts] + Burna-bommer [7 PL, 150pts]: 2x Burna Bomb, Skorcha Missiles [15pts], 2x Supa Shoota, Twin Big Shoota Dakkajet [8 PL, 120pts]: 2x Additional Supa Shoota [20pts], 4x Supa Shoota + Dedicated Transport [12 PL, 210pts] + Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]: Big Shoota Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]: Big Shoota Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]: Big Shoota ++ Total: [128 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] ++ Might change the 10 boys with sluggas into shootas, they are in a trukk so drive by shooting mob could be fine. No over all plan yet. Just for fooling around. Malakithe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5725259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Im kinda doing something similar with a couple Goffs variations. Still messing around with the updated battlescribe Warhead01 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5725265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 This is suppose to be a take all comers list not really competitive. I just need a fun list that will hopefully hold it's own for 4 turns. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Orks) [93 PL, 12CP, 1,565pts] ++ + Configuration [12CP] + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP] Clan Kultur: Goffs Detachment Command Cost Gametype: Matched + HQ [16 PL, 295pts] + Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field [5 PL, 85pts]: Choppa, Kustom Force Field, Slugga, Stikkbombs Big Mek w/ Shokk Attack Gun [6 PL, 110pts]: Shokk Attack Gun, Stikkbombs Warboss [5 PL, 100pts]: 6. Might is Right, Da Killa Klaw, Kombi-rokkit, Power Klaw [10pts], 2x Slugga, Stikkbombs, Warlord + Troops [19 PL, 370pts] + Boyz [5 PL, 90pts] . Boss Nob [9pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [81pts]: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs Boyz [5 PL, 90pts] . Boss Nob [9pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [81pts]: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs Boyz [5 PL, 90pts] . Boss Nob [9pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [81pts]: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts] . 10x Gretchin [50pts]: 10x Grot Blaster Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts] . 10x Gretchin [50pts]: 10x Grot Blaster + Elites [24 PL, 415pts] + Meganobz [12 PL, 160pts] . Boss Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs Tankbustas [4 PL, 85pts] . 5x Tankbusta [85pts]: 5x Rokkit Launcha Tankbustas [4 PL, 85pts] . 5x Tankbusta [85pts]: 5x Rokkit Launcha Tankbustas [4 PL, 85pts] . 5x Tankbusta [85pts]: 5x Rokkit Launcha + Fast Attack [18 PL, 198pts] + Stormboyz [6 PL, 66pts] . Boss Nob [11pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 5x Stormboy [55pts]: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs Stormboyz [6 PL, 66pts] . Boss Nob [11pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 5x Stormboy [55pts]: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs Stormboyz [6 PL, 66pts] . Boss Nob [11pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 5x Stormboy [55pts]: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs + Heavy Support [16 PL, 287pts] + Lootas [4 PL, 90pts] . 4x Loota [68pts]: 4x Deffgun, 4x Stikkbombs . Spanner [22pts]: Rokkit Launcha [5pts], Stikkbombs Lootas [4 PL, 90pts] . 4x Loota [68pts]: 4x Deffgun, 4x Stikkbombs . Spanner [22pts]: Rokkit Launcha [5pts], Stikkbombs Lootas [8 PL, 107pts] . 5x Loota [85pts]: 5x Deffgun, 5x Stikkbombs . Spanner [22pts]: Rokkit Launcha [5pts], Stikkbombs ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Orks) [28 PL, -2CP, 435pts] ++ + Configuration [-2CP] + Clan Kultur: Goffs Detachment Command Cost [-2CP] + HQ [8 PL, 140pts] + Weirdboy [4 PL, 70pts]: 2. Warpath, 3. Da Jump, Weirdboy Staff Weirdboy [4 PL, 70pts]: 4. Fists of Gork, 5. Da Krunch, Weirdboy Staff + Troops [12 PL, 230pts] + Boyz [5 PL, 90pts] . Boss Nob [9pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [81pts]: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs Boyz [5 PL, 90pts] . Boss Nob [9pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [81pts]: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts] . 10x Gretchin [50pts]: 10x Grot Blaster + Elites [8 PL, 65pts] + Kommandos [8 PL, 65pts] . Boss Nob [15pts]: Power Klaw [5pts], Slugga, Stikkbombs . 5x Kommando [50pts]: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs ++ Total: [121 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5771448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Next list.So I don't know if this is any better than the last list or not. soft low competitive to be sure. I made a 1500 point tac-ish list under the same idea as the list above but with more rokkits.And then piped it up another 500 points into the following list. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Orks) [84 PL, 10CP, 1,513pts] ++ + Configuration [12CP] + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP] Clan Kultur: Goffs Detachment Command Cost Gametype: Matched + HQ [16 PL, -2CP, 295pts] + Big Mek w/ Shokk Attack Gun [7 PL, -1CP, 125pts]: 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Enhanced Runt-sucker [1 PL, 15pts], Shokk Attack Gun, Stikkbombs, Stratagem: Big Boss [-1CP] Warboss [5 PL, 100pts]: 6. Might is Right, Da Killa Klaw, Kombi-rokkit, Power Klaw [10pts], 2x Slugga, Stikkbombs, Warlord Weirdboy [4 PL, -1CP, 70pts]: 3. Da Jump, 5. Da Krunch, Scorched Gitbonez, Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz [-1CP], Weirdboy Staff + Troops [22 PL, 288pts] + Boyz [10 PL, 119pts] . Boss Nob [19pts]: Kombi-rokkit [10pts], Stikkbombs . Ork Boy w/ 'Eavy Weapon [19pts]: Rokkit Launcha [10pts], Stikkbombs . 6x Ork Boy W/ Shoota [54pts]: 6x Shoota, 6x Stikkbombs . 3x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [27pts]: 3x Choppa, 3x Slugga, 3x Stikkbombs Boyz [10 PL, 119pts] . Boss Nob [19pts]: Kombi-rokkit [10pts], Stikkbombs . Ork Boy w/ 'Eavy Weapon [19pts]: Rokkit Launcha [10pts], Stikkbombs . 6x Ork Boy W/ Shoota [54pts]: 6x Shoota, 6x Stikkbombs . 3x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [27pts]: 3x Choppa, 3x Slugga, 3x Stikkbombs Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts] . 10x Gretchin [50pts]: 10x Grot Blaster + Elites [20 PL, 410pts] + Meganobz [6 PL, 120pts] . Boss Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs Meganobz [6 PL, 120pts] . Boss Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs . Meganob [40pts]: Kombi-rokkit [5pts], Power Klaw, Stikkbombs Tankbustas [8 PL, 170pts]: Boom Boyz . 10x Tankbusta [170pts]: 10x Rokkit Launcha + Fast Attack [18 PL, 350pts] + Stormboyz [9 PL, 175pts] . Boss Nob [21pts]: Power Klaw [10pts], Slugga, Stikkbombs . 14x Stormboy [154pts]: 14x Choppa, 14x Slugga, 14x Stikkbombs Stormboyz [9 PL, 175pts] . Boss Nob [21pts]: Power Klaw [10pts], Slugga, Stikkbombs . 14x Stormboy [154pts]: 14x Choppa, 14x Slugga, 14x Stikkbombs + Heavy Support [8 PL, 170pts] + Lootas [8 PL, 170pts] . 8x Loota [136pts]: 8x Deffgun, 8x Stikkbombs . Spanner [17pts]: Big Shoota, Stikkbombs . Spanner [17pts]: Big Shoota, Stikkbombs ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Orks) [37 PL, -4CP, 487pts] ++ + Configuration [-2CP] + Clan Kultur: Goffs Detachment Command Cost [-2CP] + HQ [6 PL, -2CP, 95pts] + Big Mek in Mega Armour [6 PL, -2CP, 95pts]: 2. Big Gob, Da Ded Shiny Shoota, Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw, Stratagem: Big Boss [-1CP], Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz [-1CP], Tellyport Blasta [10pts] + Troops [10 PL, 131pts] + Boyz [10 PL, 131pts] . Boss Nob [14pts]: Big Choppa [5pts], Slugga, Stikkbombs . 4x Ork Boy W/ Shoota [36pts]: 4x Shoota, 4x Stikkbombs . 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa [81pts]: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs + Elites [8 PL, 60pts] + Kommandos [8 PL, 60pts] . Boss Nob [10pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 5x Kommando [50pts]: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs + Fast Attack [6 PL, 66pts] + Stormboyz [6 PL, 66pts] . Boss Nob [11pts]: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs . 5x Stormboy [55pts]: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs + Heavy Support [7 PL, 135pts] + Flash Gitz [7 PL, 135pts] . 4x Flash Git [108pts]: 4x Snazzgun, 4x Stikkbombs . Kaptin [27pts]: Snazzgun, Stikkbombs ++ Total: [121 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++ If I wanted I could trade the flash gitz out for 3 Mek Gunz which would be single model units stuffed in between both detachments. This might be a good time to play as long as I can last through the first turn. Hopefully it holds on for at least 4 turns. I think this will be worth a try. The MANZ will be held off for Deep strike as will the small unit of storm boys and Kommandos. These will try for DOR and line-breaker while my weird boy can attempt a psyker secondary or I can try a different one, if a different one looks easier to score. I know this list is missing a few of the usually Ork things like a KFF and a pain boy but I want to try it out that way to start. again I am open to trading out the flash gits if needed. Gets weird if I do. that's like 90 point from the 135 leaving 45 points which I can dump into maybe more boys in the last mob, which is over 10 strong. Unless I find a better option. Could be I drop the last rokkit for a big shoota leaving 50 points for one more grots mob. It's an options anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369743-not-very-competitive-2000-points/#findComment-5771795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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