techsoldaten Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I'm seeing a rumour from a pretty confident source (they're pushing out a lot of playtester claims/rumours) that CSM will have the ability to take up to 25% of Daemons in an army, without breaking army rules. AND they can be in the same detachment supposedly If true, Abaddon, Be'lakor, and a Knight Despoiler could be in one list without costing CPs. Soup's on, come and get it. Guzzlrr and Iron Father Ferrum 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Well. That's something ain't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I'm seeing a rumour from a pretty confident source (they're pushing out a lot of playtester claims/rumours) that CSM will have the ability to take up to 25% of Daemons in an army, without breaking army rules. AND they can be in the same detachment supposedly Not in the same detachment though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I'm seeing a rumour from a pretty confident source (they're pushing out a lot of playtester claims/rumours) that CSM will have the ability to take up to 25% of Daemons in an army, without breaking army rules. AND they can be in the same detachment supposedly Not in the same detachment though. I would love to have some nurglings and Skarbrand for allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Being able to include daemons without throwing away mono bonuses would be the most exciting rules change of the entire release for me. Sersi, RolandTHTG, Lord Abaia and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) If true they better update for Death guard and Thousands sons as it's not fair we lose out legion rules by taking daemons Being able to do so would be so amazing Edited May 9, 2022 by Plaguecaster Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 If true they better update for Death guard and Thousands sons as it's u fair we lose out legion rules by taking daemons Being able to do so would be so amazing My guess is the rules for this are in the Chaos Daemons codex, given that it's in the Harlequin rules to say include them with Dark Eldar, or in the Knight/Chaos Knight rules to include them in Imperium/Chaos armies respectively. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Including the rule in the daemons codex would make sense! There they can also include DG and TS. This is great news for me, I'm painting the no longer available SC chaos space marines with the venomcrawler for an emperor's children warband, and have a SC slaanesh daemons and the exquisite pursuit box to build and paint! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoom Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Damn, if this whole Daemon thing it reals, it opens up a lot of potential for list building. Night Lords for example could get access to more morale shenanigans (even if it may not be 100% loreful). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsol Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Hey Chris, you mention that terminators can be equipped with an "Autocannon". Is that just the Reaper autocannon or a regular one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Damn, if this whole Daemon thing it reals, it opens up a lot of potential for list building. Night Lords for example could get access to more morale shenanigans (even if it may not be 100% loreful). NL demon prince enslaves demons to spread terror (and to spare the lives of his men, but will never admit this). Sounds fluffy to me, CSM have so many factions the standard line policy is more of a guideline not law. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Hey Chris, you mention that terminators can be equipped with an "Autocannon". Is that just the Reaper autocannon or a regular one? They've only ever had the Reaper so I assume that's staying. olsol and Warsmith sargos 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5825980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Hey Chris, you mention that terminators can be equipped with an "Autocannon". Is that just the Reaper autocannon or a regular one? They've only ever had the Reaper so I assume that's staying. the reaper also better then the normal AC since 9th Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoom Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) On the subject of Night Lords / Daemons combo : there is a Khorne WLT that makes another model run away on failed morale test (8" aura). Marines may be immune to CA modifier, but they can still fail morale. A NL DP, chaos spawn or possessed squad (which should be pretty common) make basic marines LD5 and termies LD6. It can even be reduced further if you stack the morale debuff from different units. Making another model run away could be huge in this MSU game. There is also the Treason of Tzeentch power that gives you control of a character if you beat his LD. In addition some Daemon spells / WLT reduce LD in aura. Edited May 10, 2022 by Voodoom Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 On the subject of Night Lords / Daemons combo : there is a Khorne WLT that makes another model run away on failed morale test (8" aura). Marines may be immune to CA modifier, but they can still fail morale. A NL DP, chaos spawn or possessed squad (which should be pretty common) make basic marines LD5 and termies LD6. It can even be reduced further if you stack the morale debuff from different units. Making another model run away could be huge in this MSU game. There is also the Treason of Tzeentch power that gives you control of a character if you beat his LD. In addition some Daemon spells / WLT reduce LD in aura. Or an exalted keeper with the free move when an enemy fails leadership! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallarn Commander Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Voodoom, the 3.5 Codex did say the Night Lords sometines "capture" daemons such as Furies to use on the battlefield. I often included a squad of 10 Furies as my 4th fast attack back in the day. So if we can use daemons alongside Night Lords in the future, just say that they are "captured" Daemons. Voodoom 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 On the subject of captured daemons, if you look at the three revealed Torment models, all of them have a strip of parchment nailed to them somewhere. To me it reads as some sort of seal binding a daemon to the host. Maybe something similar could be used to visually represent a bound daemon. It might be pretty easy to represent with modified purity seals. BitsHammer, Marshal Loss, Sception and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I remember the old NL fluff about the Furies. They didnt capture furies but instead found Furies often flocked to them. Thats when the Night Lords were first becoming the jump pack legion and I guess they were trying to hit the flying circus theme by adding furies with a fluff reason for them to be there. That said, YAY Daemons. I will be including some Furies if I ever continue with my Night Lord army. Tallarn Commander and BitsHammer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banks Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I've tried the Furies with my Night Lords before, and unfortunately with the way Morale is now, it just didn't do a thing. The way Night Lords are moving again they will be less about forcing morale loss and more about buffing themselves based on having a higher leadership i don't foresee Furies have a good place in a Night Lords list as fun as the theory sounds. Tallarn Commander 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I really hope the Daemon rules (about bringing up to 25%) is in the chaos daemons codex and not the chaos space marines codex, otherwise TS and DG won't get it. SanguinaryGuardsman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I really hope the Daemon rules (about bringing up to 25%) is in the chaos daemons codex and not the chaos space marines codex, otherwise TS and DG won't get it. They would be remiss to not also update some Khorne Daemon models and allow World Eaters to take them. That'd be such an obvious tandem for sales. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I really hope the Daemon rules (about bringing up to 25%) is in the chaos daemons codex and not the chaos space marines codex, otherwise TS and DG won't get it. Chaos daemons, like the rule for chaos knights is in the knights codex Lord Abaia, BitsHammer, petesamd and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I really hope the Daemon rules (about bringing up to 25%) is in the chaos daemons codex and not the chaos space marines codex, otherwise TS and DG won't get it.Chaos daemons, like the rule for chaos knights is in the knights codex That's awesome! Pretty exciting. Khornestar and WrathOfTheLion 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Excellent news, means I'll get to use all the Nurgle Daemons I've been painting up with my Death Guard/CSM, and the Khorne Daemons I've been painting with World Eaters/CSM. Special Officer Doofy 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 The only way for the foreseeable future I’ll be using my daemons of Khorne. That’s super exciting. Special Officer Doofy 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/103/#findComment-5826320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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