Clone Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I have fond memories of using Khorne Daemonkin back in the day. Will definitely look into getting some daemons now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I just thought of something, DG & TS like space marines ignore combat attrition. So in the leaks every source of +1 CA (icon of vengeance and other) would be to the ennemy. I am going to confirm Tallarn Commander 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I just thought of something, DG & TS like space marines ignore combat attrition. So in the leaks every source of +1 CA (icon of vengeance and other) would be to the ennemy. I am going to confirm Rubric's always pass morale tests but DG only gets each time a Combat Attrition test is taken for this unit, ignore any or all modifiers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I just thought of something, DG & TS like space marines ignore combat attrition. So in the leaks every source of +1 CA (icon of vengeance and other) would be to the ennemy. I am going to confirm Can you provide more details about Black Legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I just thought of something, DG & TS like space marines ignore combat attrition. So in the leaks every source of +1 CA (icon of vengeance and other) would be to the ennemy. I am going to confirm That's how I read the rumor list. It would be really strange if the undivided icon was made to be completely redundant with the Black Legion subfaction rules. That said, +1 CA to enemy units is pretty underwhelming regardless, given how many factions do ignore combat attrition outright. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Ok i got confirmation, Csm do not get to ignore combat attrition, we react to it normally, to offset thiz we are all LD9 thanks to our aspiring champions and the icon of vengeance is -1 to our CA roll same for BL meaning above half strength we ignore CA. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I suddenly want my "reroll morale"-trait back :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Ok i got confirmation, Csm do not get to ignore combat attrition, we react to it normally, to offset thiz we are all LD9 thanks to our aspiring champions and the icon of vengeance is -1 to our CA roll same for BL meaning above half strength we ignore CA. Wait, so undivided icon /is/ redundant for black legion, who are just immune to CA outright? Yeesh. Come on, GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Ok i got confirmation, Csm do not get to ignore combat attrition, we react to it normally, to offset thiz we are all LD9 thanks to our aspiring champions and the icon of vengeance is -1 to our CA roll same for BL meaning above half strength we ignore CA. Wait, so undivided icon /is/ redundant for black legion, who are just immune to CA outright? Yeesh. Come on, GW. Think of it like, this, you've saved some points! :D Or, this isn't the case and we can just wait and see? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Disappointing that BL's ignore combat attrition isn't the same as dark angels who just don't make combat attrition rolls at all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrozatarim Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 It's possible that will have changed between the early playtest draft and the final version, of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 There's a picture of the updated quick reference datasheet from the terminator box going around various sites -- there's the Accursed Weapon profile, power fist, and chain fist for melee profiles. So that kinda confirms that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 These seem to match the rumours regarding melee weapon options for Termies, seeing as how LCs aren't here separately, nor Chain/Poweraxes Iron Father Ferrum, petesamd, Marshal Loss and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Yeah, that one. TheGodOfHammers 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So lightning claws aren't a thing anymore? Does this mean warp talons will have accursed weapons too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrest_IW Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So lightning claws aren't a thing anymore? Does this mean warp talons will have accursed weapons too? Claws on Terms and Chosens by the leaks is accursed weapon +1 -3 1 ( +1A) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So lightning claws aren't a thing anymore? Does this mean warp talons will have accursed weapons too? We don't know yet if they still have claws. It's kind of a wash either way, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So lightning claws aren't a thing anymore? Does this mean warp talons will have accursed weapons too? Warp talons are arme with warp claws. Same as LC but no bonus attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 So lightning claws aren't a thing anymore? Does this mean warp talons will have accursed weapons too? We don't know yet if they still have claws. It's kind of a wash either way, though. The instructions for Raptors/Warp Talons leaked a little while ago, they still have claws, they're just called "warpclaws" now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Can one model take two accursed weapons? Sorry if I’ve missed that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Can one model take two accursed weapons? Sorry if I’ve missed that. Lol yes When to many people start asking questions like this it means its time to repost the curated list. Khornestar and SanguinaryGuardsman 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Accursed weapons seem really good. Lots of stuff reduces damage so damage 1 is good. Str 5 is a great breakpoint vs the most common things in the game namely toughness 4, toughness 5, and toughness 8. AP 3 is very important especially with armor of contempt, often putting enemies on their invul saves. An extra attack is great especially in combo with abilities that trigger off attacks. TrawlingCleaner, TheGodOfHammers and Khornestar 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrest_IW Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Accursed weapon dont look bad , but only one pair of it per 5 models , and alot ppl have squads of chaos termies with 2x claws , i got 10 model squad MegaVolt87, Bulwyf and Silas7 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhar'Neth Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Actually the leaked terminator weapon (7) is a power sword and has power sword stats so… I don’t think it confirms anything yet. Still hopes the accursed weapons aren’t true. <crosses fingers> Bulwyf and Grand_Master_Alpharius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Actually the leaked terminator weapon (7) is a power sword and has power sword stats so… I don’t think it confirms anything yet. Still hopes the accursed weapons aren’t true. <crosses fingers> That is likely a vain hope at this point, 4 strength 5 attacks with -3ap isn't the worst since the AOC change. Grand_Master_Alpharius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/104/#findComment-5826688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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