Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 They still have power fist and chainfist options, right? So if you don't like Accursed Weapons, sprinkle in a few fists to bump up your melee power. Khornestar, Marshal Mittens, Marshal Loss and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) If power sword equivalent weapons are fine why are they so rarely utilized despite just about every army having access to them and some armies able to significantly buff them?I use them. People I play against use them. The top 1% who play in tournaments and chase the meta of the week =/= all 40k players. S +1, -3AP 1D is good against most infantry, and they are usually 5pts. Their not bad in the normal people meta, and power weapons look cool. A huge part of the problem with 9e, IMHO, is that it's balanced for the 1% tourney players who bitch of twitch and youtube and Twitter, and not the normal 99% playing normal games. If leaks from the Slaves to Darkness book aren' Aragorn charging the gates of Mordor, I don't know what is. I blame whoever dropped the whole Tyranid book. As for accursed weapons - they will be fine. Terminators just won't be the answer to every threat like some people seem to want them to be. Termies can still take power fists and chain fists. A few with fists for big hard stuff, a few with power weapons to blend light infantry and be cheaper. Seems like a strong unit still? Edited May 12, 2022 by Marshall Mittens Lord Raven 19, Hathor42 and Bulwyf 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 At the moment it looks like you'll be able to put x3 power fists and 1x chainfist in a squad. TrawlingCleaner 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 A huge part of the problem with 9e, IMHO, is that it's balanced for the 1% tourney players who bitch of twitch and youtube and Twitter, and not the normal 99% playing normal games. That's been the problem with 40k since 5th ed. GW have always bought into the idea that because people have outreach through various media it means they're hyper qualified to comment on what's good and what isn't. It's great having external testers through the ITC scene. Not so great when it's based around metahammer and is catered to by all and sundry but then again it's a hard win for GW - changing the meta every week = more sales Marshal Mittens, Bulwyf and Marshal Valkenhayn 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) So Accursed Weapons are a side grade. That sounds pretty fair to me. I've seen Loyalists make good use of relic terminators with bolters and lightning claws. Can't we do the same? EDIT: The modelling opportunities for accursed weapons are going to be fun Edited May 12, 2022 by Clone Iron Father Ferrum and TheGodOfHammers 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I dont want claws anymore. More and more armies get something to deny rerolls, and claws without are just expensive chainswords. (Better ap, OK) Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I think there are good points on all “sides” of the discussion re: accursed weapons, but however efficient or not they are versus other options that terminators used to have, those other options are gone. Gotta reap skulls the best we can with the tools we have at our disposal. If someone chooses not to use them, so be it, but the rest of us seem pretty stoked or at least optimistic. Not really something to convince anyone of, once one has made their case, IMO. Can gnash our teeth a bit and then refine our strategy and tactics to win the long war. TheGodOfHammers and TrawlingCleaner 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get :cuss done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. Is it still looking like going chaos undivided for units is pretty rubbish? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. now you have to say where you chatting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. now you have to say where you chatting Discord on the NL discord or the helforged mini discord. Warsmith sargos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalmDown Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. Chosen... terminators? Or chosen *and* terminators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. Chosen... terminators? Or chosen *and* terminators?And lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalmDown Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. Chosen... terminators? Or chosen *and* terminators?And lol You raised my hopes and dashed them quite expertly, sir! Bravo Edited May 12, 2022 by KalmDown Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. Chosen... terminators? Or chosen *and* terminators?And lol You raised my hopes and dashed them quite expertly, sir! Bravo At least you got a reply :D Edited May 12, 2022 by danodan123 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I have played the leaks in a couple of games now and have been chatting on doscord with some players who have tried them out. Terminators are no joke. I tend to go tzeentch with the ap1 bolters (ap2 with strat) and they get done. With AoC and the other tzeentch buffs they are ridiculously tanky. I had jain zhar and 2 squads of 5 howling banshees run into my termies and 6 survived the full assault. Because of the increased tankiness things like chosen terminators will have a role of sustained damage. Chosen... terminators? Or chosen *and* terminators?And lol You raised my hopes and dashed them quite expertly, sir! Bravo At least you got a reply :D Sorry my dude what was your question Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 At least you got a reply Sorry my dude what was your question No worries just abit of tongue in cheek, I was just wondering if its still looking like no point in taking undivided units, you said a while back that you couldn't see any reason to do so? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 At least you got a reply Sorry my dude what was your question No worries just abit of tongue in cheek, I was just wondering if its still looking like no point in taking undivided units, you said a while back that you couldn't see any reason to do so? Most of the time you will be wanting to run marked, there is a undivided stratagem that is a great toolbox strat but its niche. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Discord on the NL discord or the helforged mini discord. Any chance for link? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 At least you got a reply Sorry my dude what was your question No worries just abit of tongue in cheek, I was just wondering if its still looking like no point in taking undivided units, you said a while back that you couldn't see any reason to do so? Most of the time you will be wanting to run marked, there is a undivided stratagem that is a great toolbox strat but its niche. Cheers bud, food for thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 https://discord.gg/Bpm62zXa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 So wait, are there chosen terminators ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 So wait, are there chosen terminators ? No, there aren’t. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 That sucks, they were such a great part of earlier editions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Technically Terminators are chosen. Was always nice to be able to upgrade them beyond a better armour save though. Perhaps that's something we'll get in future like they've done with the specialist detachments again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/106/#findComment-5826993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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