WarriorFish Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I have tidied up the repeated quotes with tall images, it's not necessary to have such a quote chain when the replies are all but one after another - please remember that others are trying to read topics and some of these are on devices with smaller screens who won't enjoy having to scroll through the same content repeatedly. A little bit of effort and consideration for others can go a long way. petesamd, TwinOcted, Marshal Valkenhayn and 7 others 10 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) Why on earth would they have a horde esque unit with a min squad of lower then 10 :/ never going to happen:/ Simple: it's one sprue for the Cultists and one for the Firebrand (I have one of the boxes in my pile of opportunity, so I checked). They were made with BSF in mind, then GW decided that they might as well reuse the sprue for 40k as well. No point making an entirely new sprue just for 2-3 standard Cultists, so let's just change the rules to fit the models. Throw in an incentive to use bigger squads so that no one actually uses them like that and you're golden. Otherwise, it simply goes against GW's whole philosophy where the rules must match the box, or near enough. Having a box where you can't even use the miniatures is even weirder than having a "horde esque" unit with a minimum squad size of less than 10. Edited May 21, 2022 by Cheex TheGodOfHammers 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Why on earth would they have a horde esque unit with a min squad of lower then 10 :/ never going to happen:/ Simple: it's one sprue for the Cultists and one for the Firebrand (I have one of the boxes in my pile of opportunity, so I checked). They were made with BSF in mind, then GW decided that they might as well reuse the sprue for 40k as well. No point making an entirely new sprue just for 2-3 standard Cultists, so let's just change the rules to fit the models. Throw in an incentive to use bigger squads so that no one actually uses them like that and you're golden. Otherwise, it simply goes against GW's whole philosophy where the rules must match the box, or near enough. Having a box where you can't even use the miniatures is even weirder than having a "horde esque" unit with a minimum squad size of less than 10. I think it's more likely that they do what they did last edition and just have them as a unique unit, especially considering their weapons are identical to last edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I think it's more likely that they do what they did last edition and just have them as a unique unit, especially considering their weapons are identical to last edition. That's also plausible. Would be a bit weird to have a unit called "Cultists" and another unit called "Cultist Warband" in the codex, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrozatarim Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Yeah, I don't see it being a completely different cultist unit. Guzzlrr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Why on earth would they have a horde esque unit with a min squad of lower then 10 :/ never going to happen:/ Could be a kinda cultist command unit? Guards a horde esque army and they sell command squads of five men... Who knows what GW are planning, that company is a perfect example of something that cant tell its arse from its elbow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrozatarim Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Could be a kinda cultist command unit? Guards a horde esque army and they sell command squads of five men... Who knows what GW are planning, that company is a perfect example of something that cant tell its arse from its elbow. They already previewed the new 5-man cultist 'command' squad during Warhammer Fest and it's different to these guys. Guzzlrr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Why on earth would they have a horde esque unit with a min squad of lower then 10 :/ never going to happen:/ Flayed ones say hi! Sarges, Guzzlrr and danodan123 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Why on earth would they have a horde esque unit with a min squad of lower then 10 :/ never going to happen:/Flayed ones say hi! Different kettle of fish really but yes, flayed ones are an elite choice unit that can be run in large squads, not sure if they've always historically been a 5 man unit to start with? Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Why on earth would they have a horde esque unit with a min squad of lower then 10 :/ never going to happen:/Flayed ones say hi! Different kettle of fish really but yes, flayed ones are an elite choice unit that can be run in large squads, not sure if they've always historically been a 5 man unit to start with? In 2002 they were 4-10 models, but from 2011 came in packs of 5-20, much like they do now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Yeah, I always take these things it’s a pinch of salt. I spoke with someone who said they’d seen the lion and described what they said it looked like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Valrak's not just some guy, though. He's been pretty spot on with his rumours for a long time, so if he says he's seen something then I'm inclined to believe it. The fact that he's now deleted the tweet makes me think it was something he wasn't meant to reveal... Marshal Mittens 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Valrak's not just some guy, though. He's been pretty spot on with his rumours for a long time, so if he says he's seen something then I'm inclined to believe it. The fact that he's now deleted the tweet makes me think it was something he wasn't meant to reveal... Valrak, was at Valfest Last night (i think) a big fan get together, he probably was most likly Very Very Very Drunk, Possible some one also go to his phone while unnattended id leave it as unconfirmed unless its mentioned in a video or Live stream Marshal Mittens 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I believe it but without seeing the picture ourselves or having any new info, it in and of itself isn’t all that exciting. Since we’ve known WE were coming, Angron was a pretty safe bet for a model we’d be getting. GW is also being a bit extra drippy with CSM info, assuming the codex is coming in June. Kinda squandering the hype built up from Warhammerfest. Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) Anybody see on twitter Valraks post saying he saw Angron? Ignore that tweet, went out drinking and someone got my phone while I was at the bar and posted that, only realised this morning xD Edited May 22, 2022 by Chapter Master Valrak Khornestar, Guzzlrr, Dr_Ruminahui and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalmDown Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I believe it but without seeing the picture ourselves or having any new info, it in and of itself isn’t all that exciting. Since we’ve known WE were coming, Angron was a pretty safe bet for a model we’d be getting. GW is also being a bit extra drippy with CSM info, assuming the codex is coming in June. Kinda squandering the hype built up from Warhammerfest. There is every possibility it doesn't come out until July. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkseren1ty Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Eh. Plastic angron is a given at this point. What would be surprising is if they DONT release angron with the WE. But moving swiftly on. I wonder how CSM will play at the standard 2000 pt tourney formats. Will we be able to play a competitive level? Maybe not at nid/tau/custodes level, but at least a tier below that? The wonderful thing about CSM is our versatility, but what we lacked in 9th (and 8th) was staying power/defensibility. I think our defensive strats will make/break this codex. The marks look to be somewhat useful at keeping our models on the table at least. Grand_Master_Alpharius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 The codex creep seems to be over, 3 chaos knights players at my local shop and they each lost to either tau or custodes. 1 of them played 2 games against tau and was tabled in his opponents first turn (first turn of the game) and in the second game he was tabled turn 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Anybody see on twitter Valraks post saying he saw Angron? Ignore that tweet, went out drinking and someone got my phone while I was at the bar and posted that, only realised this morning xD This seems like the 40k version of "my twitter account got hacked". Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Anybody see on twitter Valraks post saying he saw Angron?Ignore that tweet, went out drinking and someone got my phone while I was at the bar and posted that, only realised this morning xD Was that someone a drunk Chapter Master who was being cheeky?!? Gederas and Sarvis 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 So, any expected timeline when the codex may be out Chris? Before or after summer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiju Soze Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 So, any expected timeline when the codex may be out Chris? Before or after summer? I don't think Chris, or his source, have access to that kind of information. Personally, I'm expecting some time in July, once the Heresy hype is passing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Could be a kinda cultist command unit? Guards a horde esque army and they sell command squads of five men... Who knows what GW are planning, that company is a perfect example of something that cant tell its arse from its elbow. They already previewed the new 5-man cultist 'command' squad during Warhammer Fest and it's different to these guys. Oh yeah, I forgot about those. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 So, any expected timeline when the codex may be out Chris? Before or after summer? I don't think Chris, or his source, have access to that kind of information. Personally, I'm expecting some time in July, once the Heresy hype is passing. I will probably buy just Kill Team now, since it's a limited release, and move Chaos buys after summer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Eh. Plastic angron is a given at this point. What would be surprising is if they DONT release angron with the WE. But moving swiftly on. I wonder how CSM will play at the standard 2000 pt tourney formats. Will we be able to play a competitive level? Maybe not at nid/tau/custodes level, but at least a tier below that? The wonderful thing about CSM is our versatility, but what we lacked in 9th (and 8th) was staying power/defensibility. I think our defensive strats will make/break this codex. The marks look to be somewhat useful at keeping our models on the table at least. To be fair I have to mostly agree with this sentiment. I find that in all my games with playing chaos (I play the glorious Alpha Legion), they do tend to hit like a frieght train, but the problem is like you said, staying power! If they kill what they're shooting at / fighting, then they're probably going to be ok, but if they don't they tend to go down fairly easy. AoC does a lot to help with this, but those extra wounds are really needed! The new codex cxan not come soon enough! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/113/#findComment-5830955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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