Plague _Lord Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I have a hunch that Daemon Princes will have greater daemon statlines to go with the new model. So probably S7 T7 14W 7A with a degrading statline? Guzzlrr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarLuther Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Sorry pals, I have a quasi-meme in my mind since weeks. As you can guess, I am an unpologetic Fallen player.... This meme comes after following the leaks for months. The Fallen Community when Codex comes out: You know, there is a named character in the Codex, his name is Cypher, the lord of the Fallen. Hey, come on, and what does he do? Cypher? Yes, Cypher ... Ah nothing, he dodges the bullets, and that's it. Hey, bro, but that's amazing. Yes bro... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 What do you guys think about the Raptors? I know their loadout and the role of a mobile special weapons platform aren't sure yet, but as a melee squad they are so outshined by both the Warp Talons and the Legionaries there's no real reason to take them. The Warp Talons have more attacks with Lightning Claws, the Daemonkin keyword and no Fall Back while still having access to Marks, Core. Meanwhile, the Legionaries have the same statline except for movement, Objective Secured, can buy Marks, Icons, a Psyker and a heavy melee weapon, and also have a fight twice stratagem apparently. They would have to be a Plasma delivery system... and not a great one at that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Bear in mind they'll have built in deepstrike so depending on their cost, barebones they might be useful for utility and you won't care about their damage output. But yeh unless the weapon options are significantly improved over the existing datasheet, the current 1 wound version at 75pts msu will probably be more useful. Edited May 28, 2022 by Abaddon303 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Anarax Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Depends on the list imo. Bare bones raptors could be good for engage and other objective grabbing needs. If you really wanna keep them safe maybe put a fist and/or plasma pistol on the champ. Melta is a good option too imo. Getting some odd angle shots off could be helpful in some cases. Grand_Master_Alpharius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Anarax Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Chris, if you can, yes or no will suffice, is the exalted champion's axe 2 damage? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Chris, if you can, yes or no will suffice, is the exalted champion's axe 2 damage? No... idea Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrexPushups Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 What do you guys think about the Raptors? I know their loadout and the role of a mobile special weapons platform aren't sure yet, but as a melee squad they are so outshined by both the Warp Talons and the Legionaries there's no real reason to take them. The Warp Talons have more attacks with Lightning Claws, the Daemonkin keyword and no Fall Back while still having access to Marks, Core. Meanwhile, the Legionaries have the same statline except for movement, Objective Secured, can buy Marks, Icons, a Psyker and a heavy melee weapon, and also have a fight twice stratagem apparently. They would have to be a Plasma delivery system... and not a great one at that. A squad that spits out 7 plasma shots that explode on 5s and can move 12" with fly or deep strike is really going to be interesting for Black Legion. Especially if Worldclaimers re-rolls work on shooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 What do you guys think about the Raptors? I know their loadout and the role of a mobile special weapons platform aren't sure yet, but as a melee squad they are so outshined by both the Warp Talons and the Legionaries there's no real reason to take them. The Warp Talons have more attacks with Lightning Claws, the Daemonkin keyword and no Fall Back while still having access to Marks, Core. Meanwhile, the Legionaries have the same statline except for movement, Objective Secured, can buy Marks, Icons, a Psyker and a heavy melee weapon, and also have a fight twice stratagem apparently. They would have to be a Plasma delivery system... and not a great one at that. A squad that spits out 7 plasma shots that explode on 5s and can move 12" with fly or deep strike is really going to be interesting for Black Legion. Especially if Worldclaimers re-rolls work on shooting. I was planning to do this but the leaks we got so far only say you can have 2 special weapons. It does not say you can have 2 plasma or 2 melta and since the kit comes with 1 of each it is very likely that will be the limit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Yeh the wording of the leaks on some of the loadout options is still a bit vague I'm not getting excited until I see the actual datasheets. It could still end up being 2 plasma pistols or 2 specials like it is currently and the 2 specials are likely to not be the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarLuther Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Yeh the wording of the leaks on some of the loadout options is still a bit vague I'm not getting excited until I see the actual datasheets. It could still end up being 2 plasma pistols or 2 specials like it is currently and the 2 specials are likely to not be the same. I'm pretty convinced this will happen for many of the leaks. Leaks correct but with incomplete lines. Edited May 30, 2022 by SarLuther MegaVolt87 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Do we know what the max unit size is for bikers? I see it now, 9. Edited May 29, 2022 by Khornestar techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Looks like my guy's sword is now just a really weird looking ax. Both datasheets look great. I know they weren't specifically in the kit, but don't worry, they'll be in a wargear list! There is no way GW would send a character into battle without giving them the option for a sword, just no way man hahaha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5833941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Hopefully now that the heresy hype is over and done with we will see some more chaos rumours and leaks coming out. Iron Father Ferrum and Slave to Darkness 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Hopefully now that the heresy hype is over and done with we will see some more chaos rumours and leaks coming out. They are coming already. Auspex Tactics has just done a vid about the leaked sheets from the terminators and terminator characters kits. It shouldn't be long now gentlemen adn we should start to see datasheets, that's what I'm looking forward to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarLuther Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) Hopefully now that the heresy hype is over and done with we will see some more chaos rumours and leaks coming out. They are coming already. Auspex Tactics has just done a vid about the leaked sheets from the terminators and terminator characters kits. It shouldn't be long now gentlemen adn we should start to see datasheets, that's what I'm looking forward to. I believe GW went mad with this Codex. I already whined about the absurdity of the claws with three different profile unit by unit (Lord vs Chosen vs Warptalon).... but let's talk now of the Chainaxe of the Terminator kit. What should we do with that? We don't even have a weapon profile.... Edited May 30, 2022 by SarLuther Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Hopefully now that the heresy hype is over and done with we will see some more chaos rumours and leaks coming out. They are coming already. Auspex Tactics has just done a vid about the leaked sheets from the terminators and terminator characters kits. It shouldn't be long now gentlemen adn we should start to see datasheets, that's what I'm looking forward to. I believe GW went mad with this Codex. I already whined about the absurdity of the claws with three different profile unit by unit (Lord vs Chosen vs Warptalon).... but let's talk now of the Chainaxe of the Terminator kit. What should we do with that? We don't even have a weapon profile.... I would assume it's an accursed weapon if we can believe the rumors. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalmDown Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Another Monday gone with no CSM post in WHC. Calling this a drip feed is... very generous. Like people said above, hopefully with HH preorders officially announced we will see the drop, you know, start dripping. Khornestar and Bulwyf 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Another Monday gone with no CSM post in WHC. Calling this a drip feed is... very generous. Like people said above, hopefully with HH preorders officially announced we will see the drop, you know, start dripping. I imagine it will be more after the HH launch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Played against nids with the leaks, had to concede turn 2, man that army is busted. A maleceptor totally nuked my maulerfiend turn 1 with only 2 spells. Also we have a real hard time dealing with t8 models, going to try terminators with powerfists, oblits and possessed next. Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalmDown Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Played against nids with the leaks, had to concede turn 2, man that army is busted. A maleceptor totally nuked my maulerfiend turn 1 with only 2 spells. Also we have a real hard time dealing with t8 models, going to try terminators with powerfists, oblits and possessed next. Let us know how all those work out! It looks like there is quite a lot of access to +1 to wound for Daemonkin, so they might be able to take chunks out of t8 models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 How are you playing a full game with the rumours? Loads hasn’t been fleshed out such as warlord traits and relics. Not to mention all the strats. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Not to mention all the points which is absolutely critical to the viability of the faction. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 How are you playing a full game with the rumours? Loads hasn’t been fleshed out such as warlord traits and relics. Not to mention all the strats. Because i have about 95 of the complete ruleset apart from the points and some generic relics lol Also if you wanna playtest just kneecap your army by 15%. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 How are you playing a full game with the rumours? Loads hasn’t been fleshed out such as warlord traits and relics. Not to mention all the strats. Because he's the one with the direct line to the playtester... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/117/#findComment-5834293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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