JaM_TW Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 So, ... when the B&C is back up, we'll have a chaos codex? That'll be nice Iron Father Ferrum 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 How are you playing a full game with the rumours? Loads hasn’t been fleshed out such as warlord traits and relics. Not to mention all the strats.Because i have about 95 of the complete ruleset apart from the points and some generic relics lol Also if you wanna playtest just kneecap your army by 15%. So are you just estimating points costs then? I don't really see how that can work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 How are you playing a full game with the rumours? Loads hasn’t been fleshed out such as warlord traits and relics. Not to mention all the strats.Because i have about 95 of the complete ruleset apart from the points and some generic relics lol Also if you wanna playtest just kneecap your army by 15%. So are you just estimating points costs then? I don't really see how that can work? lol its not that much of a stretch, look at point costs in TS and DG, those are clearly the new point costs for daemon engines and helbrute and chaos spawns and cultists. anything else is a 15% increase. I know this because I have been submitting my 1700 point list to my source and has been telling me how much it is worth in his playtest copy, and i am more or less 20 points right on the money. See it this way, its better then not playing at all. RolandTHTG, Bulwyf and SanguinaryGuardsman 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Tyranids are famously busted. 1/3 of the top 5 placings at 20+ person tournaments this past weekend were Tyranids. I'm sure CSM will get rolled by them and Eldar since GW would never release a Chaos codex that is a top dog. I just hope CSM is good enough that they can compete at the top after August chapter approved points nerf Tyranids and Eldar. stayduned 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalmDown Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) How are you playing a full game with the rumours? Loads hasn’t been fleshed out such as warlord traits and relics. Not to mention all the strats.Because i have about 95 of the complete ruleset apart from the points and some generic relics lol Also if you wanna playtest just kneecap your army by 15%. So are you just estimating points costs then? I don't really see how that can work? lol its not that much of a stretch, look at point costs in TS and DG, those are clearly the new point costs for daemon engines and helbrute and chaos spawns and cultists. anything else is a 15% increase. I know this because I have been submitting my 1700 point list to my source and has been telling me how much it is worth in his playtest copy, and i am more or less 20 points right on the money. See it this way, its better then not playing at all. I can't imagine this holds true for things like possessed and chosen who are bound to go up more than a couple points. Same may also go for warp talons and legionnaires. The latter is 12ppm right now, and even if they are a generous 18ppm, that is still a 50% increase. Chosen are likely going to almost double in points. 15% sounds like an army-wide average change where characters, vehicles, spawn, etc. are unlikely to change (or might even go down a few points). But if one leans more heavily into infantry, there is very likely going to be a >15% increase. Otherwise 3w chosen at 16ppm and 3w 9" move possessed at 23ppm are going to be busted. Edit: my point is that if one brings a lot of possessed, chosen, and legionnaires then it seems likely their list will increase by more than 15%. Edited May 31, 2022 by KalmDown Tallarn Commander 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Yeh I mean Abaddon alone is supposedly going up 120pts. That's a 60% increase. Possessed I'd imagine are getting something similar. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to try out some of the combinations but without accurate points it's almost impossible to gauge actual power level. Look how often a unit gets a points increase or decrease of a few points and it completely changes it's competitive viability. PBCs *dropped* about 10% and it made them less competitive lol. techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Thing is, even if we did know the points costs in the new Codex, it wouldn't surprise me if we find ourselves in a place where, like the Custodes book, the points in the CSM book are gonna be immediately invalidated by the chapter approved points updates... Prophet of the Despoiler 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I’ve been playing a fair amount with 8th edition Black Legion atm. I’ve played 5 games, won 1 against custodes, all but tabling him, tabled blood angels and orks by the end of turn 3. The two I lost I lost by 10pts to Eldar and Custodes. We don’t need many tweaks to be competing at the top level and it’s been far more enjoyable than playing with my dark angels where I hadn’t dropped a game in my local shop in a long time. Grand_Master_Alpharius and techsoldaten 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) I’ve been playing a fair amount with 8th edition Black Legion atm. I’ve played 5 games, won 1 against custodes, all but tabling him, tabled blood angels and orks by the end of turn 3. The two I lost I lost by 10pts to Eldar and Custodes. We don’t need many tweaks to be competing at the top level and it’s been far more enjoyable than playing with my dark angels where I hadn’t dropped a game in my local shop in a long time. I also play Dark Angels and Chaos and I really do prefer chaos at the moment, I picked up chaos about a year and a half ago. I've been playing for decades and I have never had as much fun in a game as I do with my Alpha Legion and I win fairly consistantly with them as well. Edited May 31, 2022 by Grand_Master_Alpharius Iron Father Ferrum 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Last I checked the 8th edition chaos marine codex technically has higher win rates than the 9th edition DG codex recently. I wonder how the new codex will fair. Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 The problem with the 8th codex is that you don’t really play chaos space marines you play demon engines and cultists and that’s a big shame. Oh and Chris, is there any news on the anointed and shrivelton making an appearance in the codex or are they kill team exclusive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 The problem with the 8th codex is that you don’t really play chaos space marines you play demon engines and cultists and that’s a big shame. Oh and Chris, is there any news on the anointed and shrivelton making an appearance in the codex or are they kill team exclusive? Kill team exclusive Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Yeh I mean Abaddon alone is supposedly going up 120pts. That's a 60% increase. Possessed I'd imagine are getting something similar. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to try out some of the combinations but without accurate points it's almost impossible to gauge actual power level. Look how often a unit gets a points increase or decrease of a few points and it completely changes it's competitive viability. PBCs *dropped* about 10% and it made them less competitive lol. man where did you hear that? Thats aweful if true. Yeah he got a huge buff, but thats a huge point sink on top of everything else going up in points. On a separate note, is it safe to assume forgeworld stuff will remain the same cost / data sheets or will those be updated in the codex too you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) The problem with the 8th codex is that you don’t really play chaos space marines you play demon engines and cultists and that’s a big shame. Oh and Chris, is there any news on the anointed and shrivelton making an appearance in the codex or are they kill team exclusive? Kill team exclusiveOh that sucks I got two boxes. I wonder how that will work if the legionary upgrade spru ends up in the legionary box as it will go against their if it’s in the box you can take it rules. Edited May 31, 2022 by Prophet of the Despoiler Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 They become cool modeling bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Wouldn't be surprised by 30ppm Possessed... would they be worth it at that cost? Disputable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Yeh I mean Abaddon alone is supposedly going up 120pts. That's a 60% increase. Possessed I'd imagine are getting something similar. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to try out some of the combinations but without accurate points it's almost impossible to gauge actual power level. Look how often a unit gets a points increase or decrease of a few points and it completely changes it's competitive viability. PBCs *dropped* about 10% and it made them less competitive lol. The other question: is he still an HQ or now a Lord of War? Competitive viability would depend on the answer to that question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I suspect supreme commander because Ghazgul is one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) I suspect supreme commander because Ghazgul is one EDIT: I was under the impression Guilliman was also considered a Supreme Commander. This is what I get for listening to my friend that plays Ultramarines. It would make sense for Abbadon to be a Supreme Commander Edited May 31, 2022 by TheGodOfHammers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Yeh I'm hoping for supreme commander as the HQ slots for chaos get pretty tight. Ab, lord, sorcerer, DP, disco, apostle all vying for three slots Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I don't think lords look very noteworthy in the rules so far. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorot Saepirot Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Any sighting of the Khorne Lord of Skulls? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I don't think lords look very noteworthy in the rules so far. Hopefully reworked weapon relics that don’t inflict needless penalties. Cheex 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I don't think lords look very noteworthy in the rules so far. Hopefully reworked weapon relics that don’t inflict needless penalties. Daemon weapons that don't just randomly bite me would be nice, please and thank you GW. Bite me for failing to do stuff, sure, but just for rolling a 1? That's just irritating. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I don't think lords look very noteworthy in the rules so far.Hopefully reworked weapon relics that don’t inflict needless penalties. Daemon weapons that don't just randomly bite me would be nice, please and thank you GW. Bite me for failing to do stuff, sure, but just for rolling a 1? That's just irritating. Daemon weapons have less chance of biting you now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/118/#findComment-5834900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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