Prophet of the Despoiler Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Where is the full codex leak? Is it a document or just in videos? Just realised a great benefit to accursed weapons. You can build a squad with 2 fists and 1 chain fist and run them as accursed weapons as they are just any melee weapon. Then when you want to for a list change, you just add the models in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 The full codex hasn't leaked but if you watch man reads book (guerilla miniature gaming) he goes through the entire book. Must have taken him all day to record Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskie Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) So my warbands I created the Diseased Sons and the Nefarious Fire are no more. What about official warbands like the Brotherhood of Darkness. I had to do a B&C painting tutorial for that one. I did two painting tutorials when one codex came out. Is there no BBCode image embed anymore? I always preferred HTML anyway, but then it didn't display the image, this is a bit of a hack, there should be an easier way to share images from say Flickr. Edited June 25, 2022 by Muskie No embedded image... Tallarn Commander 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 no the codex literally says use on of the legions and rename it, however you loose any special characters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskie Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I never use special characters or haven't since 2nd Edition. I wonder if I'm an Iron Warrior or a Black Legionnaire now, that seems the most obvious. There is a small chance I'll be one of the other non-aligned legions. I want to use my entire collection not just the Nurgle guys someday. I'll preorder it today and watch a video tonight, but today I actually will play a game of 40K using the Death Guard codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 some of the nurgle stuff seems quite good as well just as an fyi Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Ok I have a question for the court. How will the reaper of obliterax work with Abaddon? I imagine that might be a kryptonite weapon of sorts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikoneo Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Guzzlrr said: Ok I have a question for the court. How will the reaper of obliterax work with Abaddon? I imagine that might be a kryptonite weapon of sorts Reaper is explicitly designed to kill things with that sort of rule so will naturally take him off the table Guzzlrr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryhavoc Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Anyone got the detail of if the Havoc Autocannon is any different from the previous version, or just name? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxydo Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Cryhavoc said: Anyone got the detail of if the Havoc Autocannon is any different from the previous version, or just name? AP-2 base, iirc. Iron Father Ferrum, Guzzlrr and Cryhavoc 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, Oxydo said: AP-2 base, iirc. That is correct. Legionaries also get the improved autocannon if memory serves, but I haven't seen stats for the Reaper AC so I don't know own if that has improved at all. Oxydo and Cryhavoc 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Iron Father Ferrum said: That is correct. Legionaries also get the improved autocannon if memory serves, but I haven't seen stats for the Reaper AC so I don't know own if that has improved at all. I think it’s exactly the same but Ap -2. I think armour of contempt has really impacted the chaos dex. It clearly wasn’t planned when the codex was written as it’s nullified the iron warrior trait which had to be rewritten and it’s semi nerfed a black legion relic. Things like the possessed with damage 2 Ap 2 weapons would be amazing without AoC but now they’re worse. Ezekyle_Abaddon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekyle_Abaddon Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Something interesting of note is that Possessed are lacking the core keyword, but can still take icons. This seems so odd considering both terminators and bikers can't take them despite being core. I have a feeling that super doctrines and custom war band traits were taken out of the codex as a reaction to codex creep. Both Eldar and Space Marines had their traits nerfed afterwards, and I should not have to mention how broken 8th edition super doctrines were. stayduned 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 There is a lot of inconsistencies and oddities in the codex that will make it annoying to run. Marks, icon, and core are not always where I feel would be expected and what buffs each keyword is similarly odd at times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 10 hours ago, Guzzlrr said: Ok I have a question for the court. How will the reaper of obliterax work with Abaddon? I imagine that might be a kryptonite weapon of sorts Naw, doesnt work after you get ripped in half by Drach'Nyen Guzzlrr and darkseren1ty 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5836991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Since I was a 3.0/Index Astartes player, there's a lot in here I don't mind. The Jump Pack issue stings and hopefully enough letters will fix that, but I'm fairly happy overall. The warbands are something of an issue, but many of them already had overlapping playstyles with the Legions (Crimson Slaughter and Word Bearers, Flawless Host and EC, etc.). Re-skinning some of them isn't too hard and many of their relics, stratagems and other bits have survived. For the Purge, for example: The Orb of Unlife and their "shoot into combat" stratagem are still there as generally available effects and their reliance on heavy weaponry can be mimicked really well by running them using the Iron Warriors rules (will also boost durability in a thematic way). For the Slaughter, Terrifying Phenomena, the Blade of the Relentless are still around and they always used a lot of Chosen, so the power up for those guys after killing things will be helpful to represent them. Brazen Beasts started out as Khorne Daemonkin, and that's real easy to do with the new World Eaters rules, given that many Khorne Daemon buffs will still apply to your dudes and Summoning still exists in the Daemon codex for now. The Scourged Stratagem is still around and running them as, of all things, Tzeentch Night Lords seems to approximate their combination of disruption and reroll effects....though an argument could be made for Alpha Legion or even Word Bearers. As for Possessed, we're back to IA/3.0 where everyone got generic unmarked Possessed EXCEPT the four god Legions, who each got their own. Daeath Guard have their own, World Eaters and EC Possessed may not get the Mark benefits, but they still get the KHORNE and SLAANESH keywords so they can use the appropriate stratagems and other effects. Now we just need Tzeentch Possessed somewhere like the Thousand Sons make out of captured enemies in the novels.....along with a buff to bring DG Possessed up to snuff. This isn't necessarily what other folks want, and that's OK, but I personally see a bunch of potential in all the screencaps I've taken from the videos on offer. Guzzlrr and Iron Father Ferrum 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarLuther Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) Could someone paste me the Accursed Cultist with torments datasheet? It was even shown in a WarCom article but I can't find a damm nothing today LOL Edited June 26, 2022 by SarLuther Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Perhaps someone someone can point out if I am wrong but I believe I have noticed something off. There is a stratagem to give a champion a relic from a specific list of relics. Most of these relics are weapons that have criteria for what weapons they replace, and most of these weapons replaced are melee weapons. I do not believe these relics mention accursed weapons as options they can replace. As a result of the changed options on various units I believe only legionaire champions have access to most of these relics. Terminators and chosen have almost no access to these relics. Some may not be able to be taken by any champion but I assume that I am missing a word or something on those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 14 hours ago, Iron Father Ferrum said: That is correct. Legionaries also get the improved autocannon if memory serves, but I haven't seen stats for the Reaper AC so I don't know own if that has improved at all. I think it’s exactly the same but Ap -2. I think armour of contempt has really impacted the chaos dex. It clearly wasn’t planned when the codex was written as it’s nullified the iron warrior trait which had to be rewritten and it’s semi nerfed a black legion relic. Things like the possessed with damage 2 Ap 2 weapons would be amazing without AoC but now they’re worse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiju Soze Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, DesuVult said: Perhaps someone someone can point out if I am wrong but I believe I have noticed something off. There is a stratagem to give a champion a relic from a specific list of relics. Most of these relics are weapons that have criteria for what weapons they replace, and most of these weapons replaced are melee weapons. I do not believe these relics mention accursed weapons as options they can replace. As a result of the changed options on various units I believe only legionaire champions have access to most of these relics. Terminators and chosen have almost no access to these relics. Some may not be able to be taken by any champion but I assume that I am missing a word or something on those. At least one of the weapon relics (might have been the Black Mace) included Accursed Weapons as a base weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Kaiju Soze said: At least one of the weapon relics (might have been the Black Mace) included Accursed Weapons as a base weapon. Checking now the 2 generic ones seem to, the ones I looked at previously like the IW axe I don't see the option for taking in place of an accursed weapon. Which is another weird inconsistency. Edited June 26, 2022 by DesuVult Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikoneo Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, DesuVult said: Checking now the 2 generic ones seem to, the ones I looked at previously like the IW axe I don't see the option for taking in place of an accursed weapon. Which is another weird inconsistency. Can the IW axe be given to a squad sergeant? If not then there would be no point to include accursed weapon since no character has access to accursed weapons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Just now, Mikoneo said: Can the IW axe be given to a squad sergeant? If not then there would be no point to include accursed weapon since no character has access to accursed weapons I believe it is mentioned in the list of relics a champion can take. I think one or two relics from each legion was on that list. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) Unpacking it all, and honestly really liking this codex. Annoying changes are annoying but I can just shrug my way through them. Never been one to get too upset over this stuff, I enjoy rolling with the changes and trying new things. I think I may test world eaters out once or twice, but even with their index from white dwarf, it doesn’t really feel like I’d be playing a proper world eaters army with it. So many good synergies rely on psychic powers and WE have no legitimate ways of offsetting this limitation the way they would with a bespoke codex designed for them. The same way Black Templars were very meh (to me) before their supplement and model releases, WE will have their glorious day in the sun. This gives me the chance to paint my Word Bearers and have the ability to use anything and everything, which is the main appeal of this vast book. So many options, so many combos. Relics on unit champions is awesome, and about time. Terminators with the black rune are something I want to run as part of almost any list; not complicated to see why that combo is worth it. Marks, loadout, and strats can still make the unit fairly versatile. Shooting is neutered but oh well; a brick of 10 can still have 4 melta and 2 reapers, which could do plenty of damage. 1 CP strat for +1 to hit in a phase is nice, but they seem like a prime candidate for prescience (getting the buff for the turn instead). Speaking of prescience, I love the balefire tome upgrade for legionaries. The inability to take any power is a meaningful restriction, but the two buffs are both nice, even if diabolic strength is infantry and model-targeted. Lords and masters of execution, even the right builds of dark apostle - even a unit champion with the right weapon - are perfect candidates. Khornate daemon weapon… probably not the most efficient application but putting it on a thunder hammer or chainfist is exciting. Who wouldn’t want to roll d3 + d3 damage (3+d3 against vehicles or with hammer)? Edited June 26, 2022 by Khornestar TheWillTheWay and Guzzlrr 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 18 hours ago, Guzzlrr said: no the codex literally says use on of the legions and rename it, however you loose any special characters Would Agents of Bile count with that? I dont want to have to use Fabulous Bill in every game but Emperors Children dont fit with my armys Hellraiser aesthetic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/122/#findComment-5837117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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