Irate Khornate Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 <p> CSM legionaries legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC) (not confirmed but my guess is 10 man squad like plague marines and rubrics) loadout: AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords 1 legionaire can take a special weapon 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1) 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit) 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon I don't see GW releasing an upgrade sprue for a box that's only a couple of years old (what are we, Space Marines?), and I don't buy them having rules for models that don't exist while in the same codex removing rules for models that don't exist. Either GW's being even more internally inconsistent than usual, or someone is having a laugh. (Or, third option: this is a playtest version so GW is just trying out a bunch of ideas at once.) Going off the idea that GW wants the csm kits interchangeable, these upgrades already exist. The tome from the Terminator Lord kit, and the hefty chainaxes from the new Chosen kit. Daemon blade can be made from likely whatever you'd want it to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5794941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Has there been any leaks or speculation on the bikes? What about princes? They need a ton of help. No leaks, but speculation that Doctrines / Legion Traits make them more useful in certain Legions. Red Corsair Bikers, with -1 AP on TL Bolters, might be a thing. Daemon Princes with MoT might be a thing. The leaks suggest effective builds will vary widely by Legion, and there will be a place for most units. Khornestar, WrathOfTheLion and Prot 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5794956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I believe the rumors based on the -1 to hit for using the heavy chainaxe. No way they’d allow regular CSM to have an upgraded melee weapon with no built in downside. I would be fine with it, just so dubious at this point. I wonder if the issue is that they’re making a bespoke CSM kill team which has new sculpts, including this new wargear. If that’s the case, it could explain where we’re supposed to get the bits from and wouldn’t require a separate upgrade kit. Since we’re going down a sorta speculative rabbit hole anyway, that could allow for two types of CSM units: legionnaires of the long war and “the rest” of them. And then further differentiate with chosen for the… chosen ones. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5794994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Any news on when they’ll reveal the other half of the kill team? Seems super odd they’ve only just revealed half. Maschinenpriester 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5794997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 My guess is the release is something like early march. It can't be too far out, they should be wanting to release it in the first quarter I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) <p> CSM legionaries legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC) (not confirmed but my guess is 10 man squad like plague marines and rubrics) loadout: AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords 1 legionaire can take a special weapon 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1) 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit) 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon I don't see GW releasing an upgrade sprue for a box that's only a couple of years old (what are we, Space Marines?), and I don't buy them having rules for models that don't exist while in the same codex removing rules for models that don't exist. Either GW's being even more internally inconsistent than usual, or someone is having a laugh. (Or, third option: this is a playtest version so GW is just trying out a bunch of ideas at once.) Going off the idea that GW wants the csm kits interchangeable, these upgrades already exist. The tome from the Terminator Lord kit, and the hefty chainaxes from the new Chosen kit. Daemon blade can be made from likely whatever you'd want it to be. I'm all for kitbashing, but I don't think GW is these days - with the exception of things like heavy weapons that share common fittings across multiple kits. The rumoured Chosen and Terminator changes highlight that. If they actively wanted players to combine kits, then they wouldn't bother restricting wargear options that have been around for decades. The most plausible explanation IMHO is that these are the options we're getting in our bespoke KT box. I just don't see them throwing a new sprue into a box that's only three years old just for the sake of it otherwise. The other thing that makes me suspicious is the Combat Patrol box. I know the CP box contents are featured in the codex, but do playtest versions include the hobby pages of a codex? I wouldn't think so, that's the kind of thing you put together in the weeks leading up to final printing. And it includes a "Dank" Apostle? Maybe a simple typo (I mean, those letters are right next to each other, right?), but I can't help but wonder if someone's taking the piss. Valrak has been suspiciously silent on the whole leak, too. Not necessarily damning in itself, but if someone were to have an inkling of whether these rumours had any truth, it'd be him. I don't know. To be clear, I'm genuinely thankful to Clockworkchris for providing these rumours, even if they do turn out to be false - if nothing else, it gives us something to talk about. And hey, if they turn out to be true, then I don't think I'll hate the codex. But they just feel fishy to me. I guess my litmus test will be the KT box. If it contains a daemon weapon, two-handed chainaxe and fancy book, then it seems like there is some truth to these rumours. Edited February 9, 2022 by Cheex Lexington 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Losing out on dual special and combi champ on basic CSM is a big hit to our mid range firepower. Losing PF would suck even more. Only thing I am sure on is taking two volkite contempors, even with the new Tau about. Ideally I would like X10, fist champ, chainaxe x1 and rest bolters, nurgle for -1 dmg for an IW force. I think our MSU of X5 LC and plasma may also be dead at this point. Iron Father Ferrum and Vettanker 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Losing out on dual special and combi champ on basic CSM is a big hit to our mid range firepower. Losing PF would suck even more. Only thing I am sure on is taking two volkite contempors, even with the new Tau about. Ideally I would like X10, fist champ, chainaxe x1 and rest bolters, nurgle for -1 dmg for an IW force. I think our MSU of X5 LC and plasma may also be dead at this point. I predict that i'll continue to use mass groups of cultists (perhaps mutants for their t4 if they arnt too expensive) and 3 10 man groups of chosen to march up the board with -1 to wound, and -1 ap bolters with as many combi-bolters and Chaincannons as I can fit. Terminators may be worth it if reaper autocannons get upgraded. Maschinenpriester 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 The Eldar crew has had their combat patrol banging around now since like the beginning of the year, nothing really stands out as outside of the level of detail of the Eldar leaks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Reflecting more, x5 terminators delivering flamer shots from deep strike to open up charge lanes might be useful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 The Eldar crew has had their combat patrol banging around now since like the beginning of the year, nothing really stands out as outside of the level of detail of the Eldar leaks. That information didn't come from the Christmas leaker, though. I haven't had the chance to trace exactly where it started, but have we had any confirmation that the same leaker was correct on other things? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914888436115189811/926461623575642112/Aeldari_40K_Discord_Server_Christmas_Leaks_Calendar_V1.1.pdf And this is the earliest reference I can find on the B&C for it, with no source mentioned: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372522-codex-aeldari/page-19?do=findComment&comment=5779821 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) It didn't come from those leaks, that is absolutely true, my only observations are that the details are generally similar in scope and on a roughly 1-1.5 month differential. So regardless of where the rumors come from, that at least seems to me in pace with something coming out roughly beginning of April relative to Eldar. Edited February 9, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) <p> CSM legionaries legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC) (not confirmed but my guess is 10 man squad like plague marines and rubrics) loadout: AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords 1 legionaire can take a special weapon 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1) 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit) 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon I don't see GW releasing an upgrade sprue for a box that's only a couple of years old (what are we, Space Marines?), and I don't buy them having rules for models that don't exist while in the same codex removing rules for models that don't exist. Either GW's being even more internally inconsistent than usual, or someone is having a laugh. (Or, third option: this is a playtest version so GW is just trying out a bunch of ideas at once.) Going off the idea that GW wants the csm kits interchangeable, these upgrades already exist. The tome from the Terminator Lord kit, and the hefty chainaxes from the new Chosen kit. Daemon blade can be made from likely whatever you'd want it to be. I'm all for kitbashing, but I don't think GW is these days - with the exception of things like heavy weapons that share common fittings across multiple kits. The rumoured Chosen and Terminator changes highlight that. If they actively wanted players to combine kits, then they wouldn't bother restricting wargear options that have been around for decades. The most plausible explanation IMHO is that these are the options we're getting in our bespoke KT box. I just don't see them throwing a new sprue into a box that's only three years old just for the sake of it otherwise. The other thing that makes me suspicious is the Combat Patrol box. I know the CP box contents are featured in the codex, but do playtest versions include the hobby pages of a codex? I wouldn't think so, that's the kind of thing you put together in the weeks leading up to final printing. And it includes a "Dank" Apostle? Maybe a simple typo (I mean, those letters are right next to each other, right?), but I can't help but wonder if someone's taking the piss. Valrak has been suspiciously silent on the whole leak, too. Not necessarily damning in itself, but if someone were to have an inkling of whether these rumours had any truth, it'd be him. I don't know. To be clear, I'm genuinely thankful to Clockworkchris for providing these rumours, even if they do turn out to be false - if nothing else, it gives us something to talk about. And hey, if they turn out to be true, then I don't think I'll hate the codex. But they just feel fishy to me. I guess my litmus test will be the KT box. If it contains a daemon weapon, two-handed chainaxe and fancy book, then it seems like there is some truth to these rumours. Haha the dank apostle is just my way of writing like the disco lord, pay no mind to that my source did in fact right dark apostle. You go to remember i retranscribe these from reddit chat and I like to have some fun with the titles. Edited February 10, 2022 by Clockworkchris Vanger, WrathOfTheLion and Vesalius 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Sorry but what is the source for all of these leaks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Underbelly Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I defo don't love the loadouts for the basic CSM squads. If true I'm just going to have to ignore it and only play with my real friends. I've already built a double missile launcher squad and the squad leader has a bolt pistol. Vettanker, Bulwyf and Iron Father Ferrum 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Sorry but what is the source for all of these leaks? A guy that knows a guy. Also, these are rumours, not leaks imho, we still know nothing. Plague _Lord, Khornestar and Bulwyf 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Wait 3W possessed? But they are only 2w in Death Guard Please tell me if they are going to have more wounds for CSM they will be faqed for DG to have more wounds as I'd actually take more squads of possessed then if 3W especially with the damn price hikes on everything else. If not then I'll be pretty annoyed Special Officer Doofy 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Wait 3W possessed? But they are only 2w in Death Guard Please tell me if they are going to have more wounds for CSM they will be faqed for DG to have more wounds as I'd actually take more squads of possessed then if 3W especially with the damn price hikes on everything else. If not then I'll be pretty annoyed *Chuckles in 1W CSM* WrathOfTheLion, Jings, Vesalius and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Wait 3W possessed? But they are only 2w in Death Guard Please tell me if they are going to have more wounds for CSM they will be faqed for DG to have more wounds as I'd actually take more squads of possessed then if 3W especially with the damn price hikes on everything else. If not then I'll be pretty annoyed Assuming any of the rumors are true, there’s no reason to think GW will apply the changes across all the csm codices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Wait 3W possessed? But they are only 2w in Death Guard Please tell me if they are going to have more wounds for CSM they will be faqed for DG to have more wounds as I'd actually take more squads of possessed then if 3W especially with the damn price hikes on everything else. If not then I'll be pretty annoyed Assuming any of the rumors are true, there’s no reason to think GW will apply the changes across all the csm codices. Imagine a DG 9.5 dex..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Wait 3W possessed? But they are only 2w in Death Guard Please tell me if they are going to have more wounds for CSM they will be faqed for DG to have more wounds as I'd actually take more squads of possessed then if 3W especially with the damn price hikes on everything else. If not then I'll be pretty annoyed Assuming any of the rumors are true, there’s no reason to think GW will apply the changes across all the csm codices. Imagine a DG 9.5 dex..... Hah, I can imagine it for sure. That seems like it would be the most likely scenario for updating something as earth-shattering as an extra wound. Something set by precedent, some might say... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Wait 3W possessed? But they are only 2w in Death Guard Please tell me if they are going to have more wounds for CSM they will be faqed for DG to have more wounds as I'd actually take more squads of possessed then if 3W especially with the damn price hikes on everything else. If not then I'll be pretty annoyed Don't forget that GW was only faking it's love for Deathguard. They hate us just as much as any other chaos faction. Bulwyf, Prot, Vettanker and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I defo don't love the loadouts for the basic CSM squads. If true I'm just going to have to ignore it and only play with my real friends. I've already built a double missile launcher squad and the squad leader has a bolt pistol. Wait we cant have Bolt Pistols on our Champions?? Looks like Im pulling apart most of my army now not just Terminators. Thanks GW, not had to do this since the 2nd/3rd edition switcharoo. Special Officer Doofy 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I defo don't love the loadouts for the basic CSM squads. If true I'm just going to have to ignore it and only play with my real friends. I've already built a double missile launcher squad and the squad leader has a bolt pistol. Wait we cant have Bolt Pistols on our Champions?? I think more than likely they can take bolt pistols as it's their base equipment according to the above (bolter and bolt pistol are the base equipment for the squad) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I want to hear the points leaks for some of these units... Sandviper 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/36/#findComment-5795284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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