What to expect from 9e CSM

[Clockworkchris]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/21/the-new-chaos-space-marines-kill-team-is-here-and-theyve-got-a-host-of-new-ways-to-slay/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_21st_February_Kill_Team_&utm_content=&utm_term=

 

The above confirms some of the stuff my source shared with us.

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

Man... that daemon blade looks really good.

[Agrest_IW]

but this KT Csm will get rules only for KILL team ?! or also in box you will find rules for wh40k?

[Khornestar]

I think every KT has rules for use in 40k proper, so these should be no exception.

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

but this KT Csm will get rules only for KILL team ?! or also in box you will find rules for wh40k?

Knowing GW, this box will contain 8th edition CSM datasheets with some updated weapons/options.  

[sitnam]

I think every KT has rules for use in 40k proper, so these should be no exception.

Technically true, but not really. Iirc, the Tau pathfinders didn't really get any new rules to represent their KT wargear, and the Sisters novitiates are very stripped down in 40k compared to KT

[Khornestar]

 

I think every KT has rules for use in 40k proper, so these should be no exception.

Technically true, but not really. Iirc, the Tau pathfinders didn't really get any new rules to represent their KT wargear, and the Sisters novitiates are very stripped down in 40k compared to KT

 

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see, no guarantees for sure. No reason any of the new bits couldn't be used for existing wargear.

[Plague _Lord]

I think it's safe to assume that the heavy chain axe and book will port to 40k, while the rest of the upgrade sprue look like cosmetics mainly.

[Khornestar]

So seems like info is getting more scarce.

 

2 generic stratagems for jump pack units:

•Mw on the charge

•-1 attack

 

BL strat that lets you change a units legion for a turn.

 

-1 attack meaning enemy units have 1 fewer attack when targeting the jump pack unit or something?

[TrawlingCleaner]

 

 

I think every KT has rules for use in 40k proper, so these should be no exception.

Technically true, but not really. Iirc, the Tau pathfinders didn't really get any new rules to represent their KT wargear, and the Sisters novitiates are very stripped down in 40k compared to KT

 

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see, no guarantees for sure. No reason any of the new bits couldn't be used for existing wargear.

 

 

As far as we're currently aware, Corsairs (in the same boxset) will get all of the upgrades that you see in the Team as well as being in the codex. We'll definitely see but there's a good chance most of it ports over 

[Clockworkchris]

 

 

So seems like info is getting more scarce.

 

2 generic stratagems for jump pack units:

•Mw on the charge

•-1 attack

 

BL strat that lets you change a units legion for a turn.

-1 attack meaning enemy units have 1 fewer attack when targeting the jump pack unit or something?

I dont have much info, but my guess would be -1 melee attack in engagement range.

[GreaterChickenofTzeentch]

 

 

 

I think every KT has rules for use in 40k proper, so these should be no exception.

Technically true, but not really. Iirc, the Tau pathfinders didn't really get any new rules to represent their KT wargear, and the Sisters novitiates are very stripped down in 40k compared to KT

 

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see, no guarantees for sure. No reason any of the new bits couldn't be used for existing wargear.

 

 

As far as we're currently aware, Corsairs (in the same boxset) will get all of the upgrades that you see in the Team as well as being in the codex. We'll definitely see but there's a good chance most of it ports over 

 

They say in the article that it's an additional sprue and works just like the Pathfinders from the Tau vs Sisters box. Do we know if that Tau upgrade has been released anywhere yet or if the Pathfinders have been reboxed with it?

[Clockworkchris]

So i am pretty happy that this confirms some of what i was sharing. Big sigh of relief on my end.

[Khornestar]

So i am pretty happy that this confirms some of what i was sharing. Big sigh of relief on my end.

 

Yeah it will be pretty fun to see some of the details materialize/get leaked as we get closer to the codex release, as well. 

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

So i am pretty happy that this confirms some of what i was sharing. Big sigh of relief on my end.

Haha yeah... means you get at least some cred.  With any luck most of what you have shared is correct.

[Cheex]

Someone please pass the salt so I can eat my words. Looks like this confirms much of the rumours, and the kit looks great to boot! Edited February 21, 2022 by Cheex

[Khornestar]

Revisiting some of the rumors in the updated OP, just some musings on WB in particular:

 

Word Bearers Legion Trait:

• Wanton Slaughter: When using a pistol/assault/melee = 6s to wound cause 1MW (capped @ 3MW per unit) (Super doctrine)

Flamers may be worthy of more than 0 consideration, given this rule. However, there are no longer any units other than bikers (based on rumor list) that can take more than 2 flamers in a unit of any size. Terminators can take 2 and a heavy flamer. Based on the rumors sounds like Rubricae and Noise Marines won't be able to utilize a legion trait so not eligible to benefit. I think flamers and meltaguns (and their combi forms) are the only assault weapons we readily have at our disposal in the codex across different units.

 

Spamming Legionnaire units of 5 with the psyker upgrade could allow for some interesting mortal wound spam, assuming they all have access to smite, combined with the Wanton Slaughter rule. Increasingly difficult to just spam smites based on the rolls you need, but still possible for a few to add up over a turn across the army.

 

Chainswords are just great for this purpose. The ranged weapons are more of a nice bonus but considering the number of chainswords in the army, some should have no problem getting 2-3 mortal wounds on top of their other damage. Especially if the basic CSM squad gets the rumored 3 attacks each base, +1 for chainswords. The slaughter doctrine will help make the mortals even more likely.

 

In light of that, I think I'd skip the flamers entirely, and just spam legionnaires with chainswords, demon sword on the champ, and the psyker upgrade. Icon of Wrath/Excess both have their uses. I think I'd go with excess to maximize the number of wound rolls by maximizing the number of hits rolled. Same if I were to take a 2h chainaxe. Hitting on 3's is way more worthwhile than anything else IMO. 

 

Warp Talons just getting way better by virtue of this, as well. Re-rolling to fish for as many 6's as possible. Raptors with chainswords cheaper but can still spam chainswords.

 

 

As we've touched on before, there still aren't a ton of outright multi-damage melee weapon options, but with Word Bearers I don't feel like I need that at all. Especially if Veterans of the Long War survives intact, I think chainsword spam will get the job done in a lot of situations. Mortal wounds are something I felt was sorely lacking, at least with the army builds and collection I attempted to use from 8th until now (very few psykers, for obvious chainaxe-loving reasons). Most armies can't defend against them universally, which is also cool because WB have this defense built-in. 

 

As time goes on I'm warming up to these rumors even more. In some ways the regular CSM squads will serve as berzerkers, but now I'll get to play around more with the filthy witch aspects of the army.

Edited February 21, 2022 by Khornestar

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

 

 

 

In light of that, I think I'd skip the flamers entirely, and just spam legionnaires with chainswords, demon sword on the champ, and the psyker upgrade. Icon of Wrath/Excess both have their uses. I think I'd go with excess to maximize the number of wound rolls by maximizing the number of hits rolled. Same if I were to take a 2h chainaxe. Hitting on 3's is way more worthwhile than anything else IMO. 

 

I wouldnt think you could have an icon of wrath and take the psyker upgrade.  

[Marshal Loss]

Not thrilled by the existence of an upgrade sprue for a troops choice that is less than 3 years old. But the actual parts look good and obviously this is a huge tick in the rumour column. Exciting times - hopefully we get to see some CSM at Adepticon and the actual codex isn't too far away.

[Balthamal]

What date is Adepticon?

[Marshal Loss]

What date is Adepticon?

March 23-27.

[Balthamal]

Yeah you'd expect previews there then

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

Not thrilled by the existence of an upgrade sprue for a troops choice that is less than 3 years old. But the actual parts look good and obviously this is a huge tick in the rumour column. Exciting times - hopefully we get to see some CSM at Adepticon and the actual codex isn't too far away.

I guess my plan to make a 500 point list of Tau drones with CSM chainswords and bolters for a counts-as army wont ever be realized. :( 

[MegaVolt87]

Not thrilled by the existence of an upgrade sprue for a troops choice that is less than 3 years old. But the actual parts look good and obviously this is a huge tick in the rumour column. Exciting times - hopefully we get to see some CSM at Adepticon and the actual codex isn't too far away.

 

For someone like me who hasn't bought into the new CSM range yet, this upgrade sprue has caught my interest. Late adopters to the new CSM seem to be the target IMO. 

Edited February 21, 2022 by MegaVolt87

[Irate Khornate]

I'm a bit in the boat of I don't want to know how much this is going to raise the price of an already 60$ kit (if it's not sold separately) on top of already promised price raising. Don't get me wrong I think the upgrades are amazing (except some of the bare heads) but not looking forward to that new price.