Clockworkchris Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Some info this morning, Obliterators 5" bs3 ws3 t5 5w 4a ld9 2+/5++ Bikers 14" bs3 ws3 t5 3w 3a ld9 3+ Ld9 seems to be a reccuring theme for csm. Muskie, Khornestar, Vesalius and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Can you ask for ranges of the oblitirator weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Some info this morning, Obliterators 5" bs3 ws3 t5 5w 4a ld9 2+/5++ Bikers 14" bs3 ws3 t5 3w 3a ld9 3+ Ld9 seems to be a reccuring theme for csm. Not bad. Could you ask if possessed are Core? Edited March 19, 2022 by SanguinaryGuardsman Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Could you ask if possessed are Core? Possessed are CORE, they can take Marks, which are restricted to CORE only now SanguinaryGuardsman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Obliterators seem like a really weird unit, all at once versatile but not very efficient at the top end. They will be ok vs anything that's sub 8 wounds but lack any heavy damage. They will be pretty good for some legions like black legion or Iron warriors, but the lack of +1 on the number of shots available to the anti tank profile leaves me a bit cold. This unit is likely to be 60-80 ppm minimum (they are likely to be much more) that's a heck of an investment for 3 lascannon shots. I suppose we pay for the flexibility and survivability if you nuisance charge this unit it will just end you.I think the first 2 profiles are good 3 Obliterators get on average more shots than similarly armed havocs. The first profile is only worse on a role of 1, but on a 2 or more its better (who wants 45 str 5 ap-1 shots that generate double hits on 6's?). The second profile again is better than havocs with auto cannons. This time there is no chance for it to be worse its a minimum of 12 shots to the havocs 8 and with shots maxing out at 18 you could do some serious hurt. Turn 1 you could get 15 hits>10 wounds>7 failed saves on MEQ. That's pretty nice damage not completely squad wiping but certainly nice especially if the squad you target is something expensive like hell blasters, veterans or grey knights. If that last profile just had a little extra the unit would be gold. I am interested to know what our single best gun will be maybe they will make the vindicator less random. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Some info this morning, Obliterators 5" bs3 ws3 t5 5w 4a ld9 2+/5++ Bikers 14" bs3 ws3 t5 3w 3a ld9 3+ Ld9 seems to be a reccuring theme for csm. Oh sweet, I’m liking what I’m seeing! I have a ton of juggernaut riders to build as counts as bikers, it’s gonna be glorious. Toldavf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoom Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Hello Clockworkchris, I tried to get these info two times before without sucess, so I try my luck again ! I have two small questions : - Are Icons mark locked ? For example if you want Icon of Wrath do you have to take Mark of Khorne ? - If you play as Creations of Bile, do you have to take Fabius Bile as your Warlord ? Thanks :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Icons have always been Mark-locked. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Hi Clockworkchris, For Chosen's bonus trait are they Mark-locked? Say you have have Tzeentch-marked Chosen do they have to take the Tzeentch ability or can they take one of the non god specific abilities? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 After killing a unit, the unit is then considered to be in destruction, massacre and slaughter for the rest of the game. This is so crimson slaughter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) Some info this morning, Obliterators 5" bs3 ws3 t5 5w 4a ld9 2+/5++ Bikers 14" bs3 ws3 t5 3w 3a ld9 3+ Ld9 seems to be a reccuring theme for csm. This makes me very happy. Oblits at 5W is huge, and difficult to remove. Iron Warriors are going to make partifular use of them ignoring cover and being -1 ap against -1/-2ap weapons (-3 if dour duty remains the same as it is in Faith and fury, which seems likely, meaning in cover, you may be able to turn -3 ap into 0!!!) Rerolling our shots with Mathodical Annihilation. The possibilities of being tanky as hell while putting out insane firepower in melee and in shooting is very appealing. Add in the ability for the MOP to bring back a dead Oblit every round, and give them a 4++ with mortals on anything that charges them? Welcome to the unkillable wall of Obliterators baby. Edited March 20, 2022 by Iron Inspirit Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Hello Clockworkchris, I tried to get these info two times before without sucess, so I try my luck again ! I have two small questions : - Are Icons mark locked ? For example if you want Icon of Wrath do you have to take Mark of Khorne ? - If you play as Creations of Bile, do you have to take Fabius Bile as your Warlord ? Thanks sorry about that, icons are mark lockes, for creations of bile, no news yet but I assume that yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Hi Clockworkchris, For Chosen's bonus trait are they Mark-locked? Say you have have Tzeentch-marked Chosen do they have to take the Tzeentch ability or can they take one of the non god specific abilities? They are locked in the sense that slanesh chosen cannot take the khorne trait, but they cn have acces to all neutral and slaanesh traits. So no other gods, and not the undivided specific trait. RolandTHTG and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Anything interesting in terms of strats/relics for any of the legions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Reveals thos thursday! Will probably be some chaos stuff. I'm hoping for an Angron tease though. I think it would be cool for a new starter with worldeaters vs somebody. Vesalius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 are there any new named characters or any talk of little supplement books on various legions like the normal marines got with chapters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I was hoping to see Luther. El_Dicko 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5805985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoom Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Hello Clockworkchris, I tried to get these info two times before without sucess, so I try my luck again ! I have two small questions : - Are Icons mark locked ? For example if you want Icon of Wrath do you have to take Mark of Khorne ? - If you play as Creations of Bile, do you have to take Fabius Bile as your Warlord ? Thanks sorry about that, icons are mark lockes, for creations of bile, no news yet but I assume that yes. Thanks ! Well, Knights are next, looks like we won't get anything from Adepticon... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Jesus christ HereticalHannibal, Dr_Ruminahui, Bulwyf and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereticalHannibal Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I’m new to 40k and only been really collecting models for the last 6 months or so. Is it normal for there to be this type of gap between factions to go on for so long? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Jesus christ Exactly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereticalHannibal Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 If it means anything, the CSM data cards are LCTB and the Imperial Knights data cards aren’t? So maybe there’s still a chance CSM will come first? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I’m new to 40k and only been really collecting models for the last 6 months or so. Is it normal for there to be this type of gap between factions to go on for so long? Yup. It had been even worse in the past, for some armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Here's a fun one, how many want to bet that it will be a repeat of 7th edition, we get the book for 6 months before it's made invalid. Khornestar, Doctor Perils, MegaVolt87 and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Buckle up butter cups, weve got some pity rumours. With the anouncement of knights being next, my dude felt bad for us and here is some new info Squad size: Legionnaires 5-10 Termies 5-10 Havocs 5 Oblits 1-3 Chosen 5-10 Stratagems Legionnaires can shoot or fight twice (only source of fight/shoot twice strats) Venomcrawler 12" bs3 ws2 s7 t7 9w 6a 3+/5++ (no longer degrades) Assault 3 s6 ap2 d2 Melee Suser ap3 d2 Possessed s5 t5 3w 5a 3+/5++ Melee Suser ap2 d2 Obliterators Guns are 24" range Montford, Dr_Ruminahui, RolandTHTG and 10 others 13 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/56/#findComment-5806232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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