Khornestar Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Buckle up butter cups, weve got some pity rumours. With the anouncement of knights being next, my dude felt bad for us and here is some new info Squad size: Legionnaires 5-10 Termies 5-10 Havocs 5 Oblits 1-3 Chosen 5-10 Stratagems Legionnaires can shoot or fight twice (only source of fight/shoot twice strats) Venomcrawler 12" bs3 ws2 s7 t7 9w 6a 3+/5++ (no longer degrades) Assault 3 s6 ap2 d2 Melee Suser ap3 d2 Possessed s5 t5 3w 5a 3+/5++ Melee Suser ap2 d2 Obliterators Guns are 24" range I love it, all of it. Legionaries will get used. Not forced to take 10, either. Possessed d2. Ws2+ on the venomcrawler is awesome. Edited March 21, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I'm presuming ws2+ is a typo? It would seem weird to have all the other DEs hitting on 2s except the VC? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Ws2+ venomcrawler is not a typo. Montford, Vanger, Bulwyf and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Wow how odd. Points will be interesting then. He's looking kind of like a plague drone if you could take both the blight launcher and the mower in one lol. Obviously missing the -1 damage though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Possessed look really good (assuming the points are appropriate). Here's hoping we get a new kit in line with the size and style of the models-formerly-known-as-Greater Possessed. A box of 5 plus the 2 I already have from Shadowspear gives me a sacred 7 model unit. All though I could see them putting out a box of three or less, similar to the TS sorcerers or the Eldar warlocks. The renegade trait to add 6" to ranged weapon range might be pretty good in an obliterator heavy list. I think my custom warband might go with that and the Nurgle-locked trait. Any indication of how renegades will determine their "super-doctrine" equivalent? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 Bummed but not surprised about the Knight Teaser. There's a very real possibility we make it to the two year mark since we were promised our second wound. Absurd. On a positive note, Possessed having D2 and that statline is massive and makes me a happy heretic. Khornestar, BadgersinHills and SanguinaryGuardsman 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Possessed with heldrakes and venomcrawlers all being night lords, makes me very excited. Toldavf and Vesalius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) No shoot twice or fight twice for anyone but Legionaires is yet another crippling blow to Terminators. And Abbadon. Too bad. Come to think of it, I wonder if Abbadon loses toughness 5 and 4++ due to marks changing from previous codexes. Though typically any Chaos Lord has a built in 4++ so maybe Abbadon keeps that but goes down to toughness 4? Edited March 21, 2022 by Lagrath Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 No shoot twice or fight twice for anyone but Legionaires is yet another crippling blow to Terminators. And Abbadon. Too bad. I mean it was pretty obvious it was going to happen, every newly released codex has lost it, or kept it but for a very specific unit. Sidenote, legionaires are going to be :cussing nasty. With base 3a and a chainsword a 10 man squad in melee is putting ou 80 swing in melee with that fight twice ability, now include marks icons and the other goodies... first time I have ever yearned to include csm in my troop slot. Lagrath, Lord Abaia, Khornestar and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 No shoot twice or fight twice for anyone but Legionaires is yet another crippling blow to Terminators. And Abbadon. Too bad. I mean it was pretty obvious it was going to happen, every newly released codex has lost it, or kept it but for a very specific unit. Sidenote, legionaires are going to be :cussing nasty. With base 3a and a chainsword a 10 man squad in melee is putting ou 80 swing in melee with that fight twice ability, now include marks icons and the other goodies... first time I have ever yearned to include csm in my troop slot. Khorne Berzekers currently have 4a at str 6 ap -1 with fight twice and they do a lot of damage. Giving legionaries the MoK and an icon puts them on the same level with additional weapon options such as the 2h chainaxe, daemon blade and a powerfirst... and 5 bucks says that the daemonblade will have a CP or points upgrade to become a relic daemon weapon. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I just hope Abbadon's sword and other demon weapons lose the goofy "1s do nothing and you take a mortal wound" ability I wonder what the shooting is on the Talon of Horus now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Possessed with heldrakes and venomcrawlers all being night lords, makes me very excited. I guess that possesed will be terminator sized for transport rules which is balanced enough. 2 damage is really nice for them and they are going to make a serious mess of most things. Finaly a serious melee unit. I wonder will the standard bolter get better? If not a tzeentch icon could still give 40 shots with -1 ap, not amazing but respectable vs some opponents. But yeah 10 khorne legionaries 80 str 5 -2 save attacks, that may have exploding 6's and +1 to wound. Sounds better than our unit of chosen tbh. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Possessed come in squads of 5-10. Vanger and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Well happy that legionnaires are offering plenty of bang for their buck with the loadout options and mark/icon upgrades. However, Terminators and chosen really need something big now to make them remotely worthwhile because they're lacking a lot of the uplift that standard legionnaires look like they're getting. Doesn't have to be huge but simply having different armour/weapons or an extra wound or attack isn't going to cut it. Khornestar, Aarik, Toldavf and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Buckle up butter cups, weve got some pity rumours. With the anouncement of knights being next, my dude felt bad for us and here is some new info I'm gonna laugh if they're not next, and it's just one of multiple factions they're showing off at Adepticon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereticalHannibal Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Well, if the Chaos Codex doesn’t appear to be next out after the Adepticon previews I think I’m going to have to go ahead and just assume these leaks are correct and assemble my Chosen and new CSM Legionnaires accordingly. Fingers crossed, your leaks are accurate, Clockworkchris! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Honestly curious what happened with CSM. With both a 40K and KT box split between them, it seems very likely that they were supposed to be released in tandem with Eldar, either before or after, and then something changed. Fits with things I’ve heard about the pandemic/lockdown/supply chain breakdowns hitting GW harder than people realize. Iron Father Ferrum and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 That was my assumption as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Well, they don't call it "the long war" for nothing. :P We'll get our codex one day... I know one person who will be super-disappointed about the 10-model limit on legionnaires though... Khornestar and Slave to Darkness 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Ah yeah good catch, I did miss that. I suppose there was one negative thing in the list and that was it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Well, they don't call it "the long war" for nothing. We'll get our codex one day... I know one person who will be super-disappointed about the 10-model limit on legionnaires though... Yes, I am super disappointed!! Loved running 20 man units at my mates. Now we follow the codex it seems. *grumpy face* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 So its definitely confirmed no new demon engines or re-done kits of existing CSM demon engines? So its just going to be one new big knight and a wardog ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Possessed with heldrakes and venomcrawlers all being night lords, makes me very excited. I guess that possesed will be terminator sized for transport rules which is balanced enough. 2 damage is really nice for them and they are going to make a serious mess of most things. Finaly a serious melee unit. I wonder will the standard bolter get better? If not a tzeentch icon could still give 40 shots with -1 ap, not amazing but respectable vs some opponents. But yeah 10 khorne legionaries 80 str 5 -2 save attacks, that may have exploding 6's and +1 to wound. Sounds better than our unit of chosen tbh. Yeah but khorne Chosen will be ap -4 and str 6 with more attacks and an additional legion trait to play with. I think I would run both in a khorne themed BL list. Llagos_Tyrant 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I hope terminators will have a +1 to hit stratagem like loyalist and death guard Iron Father Ferrum 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I can't wait to hear more about the Black Legion strat to act as another Legion. I hope it's only 1 CP like the Custodes one. If so it could be extremely powerful and allow for some high level skill play with a Legion that historically has had some of the weaker rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/57/#findComment-5806374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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