Hathor42 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Oh chris could you ask about noise marines unit size? Please be 6 to 12 lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Any chance you could shed some light on... points costs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Any words on Relics and Warlord Traits? I think we have a good chunk of information now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Oh chris could you ask about noise marines unit size? Please be 6 to 12 lol.  Its not going to be bigger than legionnaires. 10 man max. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Possessed are movement 9". RolandTHTG, Dr_Ruminahui, Sarges and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Possessed are movement 9". Â This is interesting. Going to add some to my Black Legion if they keep those stats and if they get advance and charge somehow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Man possessed are sounding super cool. Dr_Ruminahui 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Also received confirmation that basic weapons such as lascannons, chainswords and bolters have all the same profile as before. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Also received confirmation that basic weapons such as lascannons, chainswords and bolters have all the same profile as before. Boooooo. I wanted something special for bolters. That's unfortunate. Bulwyf and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Disappointing that bolters havent changed. Was hoping for -1ap or change to assault 2 or something to make them not useless MegaVolt87, Sarges, Iron Father Ferrum and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Bolter not at least going to S5 is a joke with how other weapons have been improving. What a sham if it stays that way. Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Bolters being str 4 and no ap for DG and CSM is criminal, especially after the recent fleshborer stuff. That said, at least there are a few ways to give bolters ap 1 even if it takes giving up other stuff.  That Iron Warriors reducing ap 1/2 by 1 is also looking better and better. KingYertle, MegaVolt87 and Aarik 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Some more info. Â Stratagems: -+1 to hit to CHOSEN or TERMINATORS -fire frenzy: HELBRUTE at the end of the shooting phase, if it was hit, can fire at the unit that shot at it or shoot at the nearest ennemy unit petesamd, RolandTHTG, Iron Inspirit and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Lets break down some hypothetical Iron Warriors numbers:10 terminators with mark of Flame, and Icon, with 5 combiflamers and 2 heavy flamers, shooting both profiles with exploding 6's as we want to deepstrike turn 2, will put out on average 22 flamer shots, 10 heavy flamer shots, and 36 bolters.Having tested this, PER VOLLEY ignore 1 from Icon of Tzeentch is very, very strong. Its a free save anytime you are shot. 22 S4 -1ap, 1D10 S5 -2 ap, 1D36 S4 -1 ap, 1DNow for 1cp we can make those bolters hit on 3's even double firing, and the flamers are all auto hit obviously.For 2 cp, you can add +1 to wound from Vets. So you are looking at killing like, a full flat 30 man of Gaunts no matter how well they roll.And you havent even charged yet to get your 31 (Or more) 5S, -3ap, 1D accursed weapons. ...People still whining about their army being destroyed by these leaks need to get a grip, because chaos is looking to be VERY good. Edited March 22, 2022 by Iron Inspirit Petitioner's City and TheGodOfHammers 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I really doubt the reduce to zero damage mark is gonna be per volley. It'll be like the helix gauntlet for infiltrators. That's a 10pt upgrade and let's you ignore the first failed save per turn Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I really doubt the reduce to zero damage mark is gonna be per volley. It'll be like the helix gauntlet for infiltrators. That's a 10pt upgrade and let's you ignore the first failed save per turn If the current trend of brain melting power creep continues it would have to per volley just to be as good as MoN. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddon303 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Basically makes the unit immune to any unit with a single shot. It's just too strong an ability as far as I can see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Basically makes the unit immune to any unit with a single shot. It's just too strong an ability as far as I can see. Seems totally reasonable in light of tau.custodes.eldar.harlequins.nids. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Basically makes the unit immune to any unit with a single shot. It's just too strong an ability as far as I can see. They have entire armies that can't be hit AND wounded on 1-3, with army wide 4++ invul saves, and bodyguard rules to outright not be shootable, but ignoring 1 damage roll per volley blows your mind? I just showed you that its easy to get 30 wounds off a single unit, so hows negating 1 of those help? Its strong, but its not that strong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Some more info. Â Stratagems: -+1 to hit to CHOSEN or TERMINATORS -fire frenzy: HELBRUTE at the end of the shooting phase, if it was hit, can fire at the unit that shot at it or shoot at the nearest ennemy unit Thank God for the +1 to hit on terminators. It's such an important strat. I even use it for my Blightlords that hit on 2s with tallyman already anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Some more confirmation Stratagems we do NOT get  Ts vectpred strike for heldrakes Dg terminators with -4ld Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Some more confirmation Stratagems we do NOT get  Ts vectpred strike for heldrakes Dg terminators with -4ld  Not having 2 strats those armies never use is totally fine by me haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Basically makes the unit immune to any unit with a single shot. It's just too strong an ability as far as I can see.  But it's also close to useless against low quality and/or high volume weapons, unlike mark of nurgle. I hope it works per volley because that would be really interesting with being very powerful in some cases and very lackluster in others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ierp Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Thanks for all your insights Frater Domus. Do you have any informations on chaos spawn, please? Do you know if we can expect new kits apart for the already known new chosen we saw in the last 40k box set. Edited March 22, 2022 by ierp Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Thanks for all your insights Frater Domus. Do you have any informations on chaos spawn, please? Do you know if we can expect new kits apart for the already known new chosen we saw in the last 40k box set. In the same leak that predicted the Chosen and Warpsmith, it also included Possessed, Cultists, Bikers, Mutant Cultists, & Cultsit HQs/Characters. Judging from the new Combat Patrol, which doesn't include the MoP, Oblits, or Venomcrawlers, we can also assume that those will be getting their own stand alone kits, seeing as how the only place to get them currently is the Start Collecting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/58/#findComment-5806642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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