Toldavf Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Possessed are movement 9". Out of vehicle that would make red corsairs possesed have a crazy threat range. 24" on obliterators is a little low, 30 would of been nicer but hey ho. Edited March 23, 2022 by Toldavf Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just noticed Obliterators are NOT on the list of units that can get marks, which makes them way less survivable (includng not being able to cast on them). Oh well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just noticed Obliterators are NOT on the list of units that can get marks, which makes them way less survivable (includng not being able to cast on them). Oh well. MoP with the malefic discipline should help with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Some more info. Stratagems: -+1 to hit to CHOSEN or TERMINATORS -fire frenzy: HELBRUTE at the end of the shooting phase, if it was hit, can fire at the unit that shot at it or shoot at the nearest ennemy unit wow +1 to Chosen as well! its huge, i feel like our range weapons will lack Str 9+, so making meltas hit easier will be a huge improvment do you know if its for shooting and fight phase? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Also received confirmation that basic weapons such as lascannons, chainswords and bolters have all the same profile as before. I think it's unlikely that any weapons we share with codex Marines will be buffed in our book first, same for the tanks. We will have to wait for the next loyalist marine book to see any improvement in this regard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Some more info. Stratagems: -+1 to hit to CHOSEN or TERMINATORS -fire frenzy: HELBRUTE at the end of the shooting phase, if it was hit, can fire at the unit that shot at it or shoot at the nearest ennemy unit wow +1 to Chosen as well! its huge, i feel like our range weapons will lack Str 9+, so making meltas hit easier will be a huge improvment do you know if its for shooting and fight phase? Its for either, like vets of the long war you use it in either or both the shooting and the fight phase. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I will say, venomcrawlers lookin real dope. I am excited. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I will say, venomcrawlers lookin real dope. I am excited. I am really digging the vemomcrawler for my Night lords army. Everything about it complement our rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Did I see somewhere in here that DTTFE is going away and hateful assault is being rolled into the data sheets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Did I see somewhere in here that DTTFE is going away and hateful assault is being rolled into the data sheets?Dttfe is being replaced by csm doctrines and yes hateful assault is no more. Almost all infantry models get 3a base Sandviper 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 so Brother and sisters any thoughts about the new Oblitirators? will they stay strong in IW lists? it seems like we have alot of D6 damage and the leaks of the knights are quite scary with the -1 damage on them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 so Brother and sisters any thoughts about the new Oblitirators? will they stay strong in IW lists? it seems like we have alot of D6 damage and the leaks of the knights are quite scary with the -1 damage on them I personally love the new Oblits. They are definitely being a mainstay in my IW lists I plan on running. 5 wounds at T5, with a 2+ base save and the ability to reduce AP will make them super durable, especially when combined with the new powers from the MoP. Also, the consensus about those Knight leaks are they are most likely fake, so hopefully we don't have to worry about those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 so Brother and sisters any thoughts about the new Oblitirators? will they stay strong in IW lists? it seems like we have alot of D6 damage and the leaks of the knights are quite scary with the -1 damage on them Knights are getting -1 damage, but those leaks are fake. Confirmed by my source. TheGodOfHammers 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I have a question from a friend about CSM interactions with Daemons: Is there any way to take Daemons in a similar way to how GSC can take IG?Also, is Daemonic Summoning even a thing anymore? If it's still in the codex, does it still cost reinforcement points? Or is it more like the new Nids summoning rules? Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Any update to the Land Raider or is it still bad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Also, is Daemonic Summoning even a thing anymore? If it's still in the codex, does it still cost reinforcement points? Or is it more like the new Nids summoning rules? Summoning is a rule in the Daemon codex. We won't probably know about any changes to it until they get their 9th Ed codex. I expect codex CSM will treat summoning the same as codex TS or DG, which (correct me if I'm mistaken, I don't play either of those armies) will be to not mention it at all. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Any update to the Land Raider or is it still bad? Hah GW hates Land Raiders almost as much as they hate chaos. Don't get your hopes up for the old firstborn tanks... they are sadly being phased out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApulianAbaddon Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Any update to the Land Raider or is it still bad? Hah GW hates Land Raiders almost as much as they hate chaos. Don't get your hopes up for the old firstborn tanks... they are sadly being phased out. Transport 10 with 4 random lasers, in a meta where there are d6+3 or +4 weapons lol. Should not cost more than 200 Iron Inspirit 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So far he has said all tanks remain the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So guys say hi to my source, he/she been following the thread since the start and had some answers to some of your questions. -Possessed take up 2 spaces in transports. -land raiders are still bad -nurgle mark -1 to wound only applies if S=T or if S/2>=T -tzeentch mark ability is 1 per unit per turn. Vanger, RolandTHTG, acrozatarim and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banks Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So guys say hi to my source, he/she been following the thread since the start and had some answers to some of your questions. -Possessed take up 2 spaces in transports. -land raiders are still bad -nurgle mark -1 to wound only applies if S=T or if S/2>=T -tzeentch mark ability is 1 per unit per turn. Poor land raiders...forever the forgotten child Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrozatarim Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So guys say hi to my source, he/she been following the thread since the start and had some answers to some of your questions. Hello to your source! Could you ask them about the terminator sorcerer's familiar? And I'd love to know any more about Legion warlord traits/relics/strats that they're willing to spill too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So guys say hi to my source, he/she been following the thread since the start and had some answers to some of your questions. -Possessed take up 2 spaces in transports. -land raiders are still bad -nurgle mark -1 to wound only applies if S=T or if S/2>=T -tzeentch mark ability is 1 per unit per turn. Well, those marks went from amazing to terrible in an instant. SanguinaryGuardsman, Bulwyf, Khornestar and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Who wants to bet that the DG and 1ksons will have to wait ~ 2 years to get updated to the regular CSM version (ie more wounds, more damage, less transport space)?? KingYertle and Slave to Darkness 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So guys say hi to my source, he/she been following the thread since the start and had some answers to some of your questions. -Possessed take up 2 spaces in transports. -land raiders are still bad -nurgle mark -1 to wound only applies if S=T or if S/2>=T -tzeentch mark ability is 1 per unit per turn. Poor land raiders...forever the forgotten child Thats why I love playing 1st edition at the moment, in 9th edition my armys a bit naff, 2 Vindicators and a Land Raider is the heaviest stuff I have, everyone else has bigger and better. In 1st ed a lot of that stuff doesnt exist so I have the biggest tank on the table and its feared... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/59/#findComment-5806898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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