acrozatarim Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Those ash wastes models are going to make awesome NL cultists. Yeah, that was my thinking, albeit I figure they work well for quite a few legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 At least bow there is a reason to take chosen and terminators since they are very likely to be 3a base. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Those ash wastes models are going to make awesome NL cultists. Depends on their scale - aren't necromunda models kinda large? If they are BSF renegade guard size, then they are an autobuy for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 At least bow there is a reason to take chosen and terminators since they are very likely to be 3a base. Yeah this is true, and I guess there are decent arguments for/against having 3a base on legionaries but with a chainsword that’s still decent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Did I see somewhere in here that DTTFE is going away and hateful assault is being rolled into the data sheets?Dttfe is being replaced by csm doctrines and yes hateful assault is no more. Almost all infantry models get 3a base So...clearly that's not true. The teaser showed only 2a for CSM. So does this mean hateful assault it still a thing or does CSM once again get the shaft? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Did I see somewhere in here that DTTFE is going away and hateful assault is being rolled into the data sheets?Dttfe is being replaced by csm doctrines and yes hateful assault is no more. Almost all infantry models get 3a base So...clearly that's not true. The teaser showed only 2a for CSM. So does this mean hateful assault it still a thing or does CSM once again get the shaft? Well, according to the rumors the reason for the +1 attack to most unit profiles was because Hateful assault had been rolled into the stat line now. So, Legionnaires should have 2 attacks not 3. WrathOfTheLion and TheGodOfHammers 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volgon Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Did I see somewhere in here that DTTFE is going away and hateful assault is being rolled into the data sheets?Dttfe is being replaced by csm doctrines and yes hateful assault is no more. Almost all infantry models get 3a base So...clearly that's not true. The teaser showed only 2a for CSM. So does this mean hateful assault it still a thing or does CSM once again get the shaft? Well, according to the rumors the reason for the +1 attack to most unit profiles was because Hateful assault had been rolled into the stat line now. So, Legionnaires should have 2 attacks not 3. I think the assumption for many was, if the rumors were true, that CSM would get a baseline bump to 2 attacks (to make them equivalent to Primaris), and then roll Hateful Assault baseline for 3 attacks. I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation that a Chaos Firstborn with centuries/millenia of combat experience and exposure/gifts of Chaos would be equivalent stat-wise to a stock Primaris. That being said, neither Plague Marines or Rubrics got the 3 attack treatment, so it's likely GW doesn't view Chaos Firstborn as equivalent to Primaris. Edited March 24, 2022 by Volgon Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I will say, venomcrawlers lookin real dope. I am excited. I am really digging the vemomcrawler for my Night lords army. Everything about it complement our rules. We are all free to make our armies as we see fit. There I fixed that comment for you. TheGodOfHammers 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDops Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just a thought that I had. Going way back in the thread there was chatter about Accursed Weapons. Was there ever a comparison to the Death Guard Plague Weapons or was it just assumed the sword/axe/mail were being combined Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 Please folks, let's stay on 9e CSM rumours/reveals/hypotheses. :) Opinions on the wing from the teaser? Guessing they're from Possessed, but I'd love to see a new DP. WrathOfTheLion, Bulwyf, Vesalius and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) It reminds me of Argel Tal. As much as I'd like a Daemon prince, I think it's too small for that. Maybe an HQ type of possessed, or that's just how they all look now? Edited March 24, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Marshal Loss and Aarik 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isengrin Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Looks a lot like something from a new possessed kit. The old one had a winged backpack, so why not the new box too. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I mean I am not a leaker, i am just a middle man, and even at that I dont see how my opinion should influence any of yours. I play night lords competively so you can bet your ass I will min/max. You tell me that i get a superdoctrine that buffs melee/pistols/assault with +1 to wound and then I look at the venomcrawler and possessed, that have melee and assault weapons, are fast as :cuss (for the Ld bubble and +1 to advance/charge), and hit like a wall of bricks. You can bet your ass I will fit that synergy into my list. But as I said the is clockworkchris in a tourney setting who enjoys that playstylewith those models. As ive said before, this book seems to give us a :cuss ton of options, multiple setups to customise our units and thats what most of.us wanted... options. Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiju Soze Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Wings might explain the movement buff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 My guess is -Shoulderpad with eye is bikers -The hand holding a ultra helmet is a possessed -the chaos star icon with bones arpund it is a possessed - the cultist that looks normal is the cultist hq - the chaos spawn looking model with a leather strap crossing his back and teeth with like and arm coming out is an accurses cultist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Also wongs are possessed like argel tal model. Aarik and Marshal Mittens 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Wouldn't it be cool for Word Bearers to get some special possesd from a strat. Think Red butchers but possesed so Gal Vorbak. Sarges, Khornestar, tinpact and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Hey Bulwyf, I didnt take anything the wrong way, but just wanted to add that all the info that I know barring point costs (which i know very little but promised bot to share) I share here. So essentially what I know you know. So my excitement on those models is purely based on the datasheet and my love of those models. As we know the will be stratagems for jump pack units and warp talons deny fall back so those still fit wonderfully well in fluffy and non fluffy NL lists, i am shre there is even more strats/relics/WT that will give us more options. One thing the leaker has said is that all legions are extremely fluffy IW will want to go daemonengines or vehixles and cult of destruction. And WB will want their possesses. So lets just wait and see :) Marshal Mittens and Bulwyf 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I hope they do something about the Autocannon. It's used to be a fan-favorite option and one of the few that the loyalist SM had no access to. Now with the Reaper Chaincannon and its sheer volume of fire around, and the Heavy Bolter having D2 as well, it feels like the worst of option of the bunch: the Chaincannon shreds light infantry, the HB is more efficient against Marines (and practically anything else as well), the Lascannon easily beats it against armor (even if it's not that great edition-wise) and the Missile Launcher is much more versatile. If they don't give it a buff, it's practically a dead option. If it was up to me, I'd probably give it an additional point of AP and damage characteristic of 3. This way, it would find its niche in killing Terminators and dealing nice damage to vehicles as well. But I don't think GW will do anything to change the current situation, it's pretty irrelevant when compared to stuff like Chosen and Possessed. Regarding the teaser: most of it seems to be the Possessed and the new Cultists units. The wing looks just like Argel Tal's, so it's probably a cosmetic option for Possessed. As for the hand with the SM helmet - for me that's 100% Bikers, it looks as if the rider tore it off in the middle of a charge. Khornestar, Sarges and Aarik 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Yeah that’s a worthwhile question, as it does feel like an obsolete weapon. Though, as we’ve touched on, seems unlikely they will choose codex CSM to update weapon profiles for shared imperial tech. More likely to come in the next edition, I would guess. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 For me, an extra shot on the autocannon would fix it and bump up by +5pts to compensate (15pts). Tallarn Commander 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I would like for it to go to 3 damage as an anti-terminator weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) My ideas for the following: rocket launchers shoot keep the dual profile but the anti tank variant should get +1 to hit vs FLY. Autocannons 6s to wound cause +1 damage (like explosive rounds) Edited March 25, 2022 by Clockworkchris Vanger 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) There has been rather a spirited discussion regarding whether night lords should use daemonic units like possessed and the daemon engines. As interesting as that topic may be, this thread is not the place for it. I have split off those posts and started a new topic in the Night Lords subforum. It can be found here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373655-using-daemonis-units-with-night-lords/?p=5807443 Please post any further comments on that debate in the proper thread. Edited March 25, 2022 by Dr_Ruminahui Isengrin, Verbal Underbelly, Metzombie and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 For me, an extra shot on the autocannon would fix it and bump up by +5pts to compensate (15pts). I've been having decent results from 2 reaper autocannons in my 10 man blightlord brick. Especially with +1 to hit, exploding 6's and reroll 1's to hit they end up doing around 9-10 hits and with the decent AP have even put a dent in heavier targets. I think 5 shots for the reaper would be nice (so a step beneath the assault cannon, but higher output than the regular AC). The regular autocannon can't have more shots or it makes the heavy bolter obsolete (like at the moment for example). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/62/#findComment-5807757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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