DO_IT_TO_IT Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 If it is Core locked, we unfortunately won't be able to throw it on Oblits, but I was thinking it could be quite nice on Possessed or maybe Bikers in a pinch. Though I guess Dark Apostles can't stay close to Bikers really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 If it is Core locked, we unfortunately won't be able to throw it on Oblits, but I was thinking it could be quite nice on Possessed or maybe Bikers in a pinch. Though I guess Dark Apostles can't stay close to Bikers really. Or possessed really, looking at their new supposed profile Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO_IT_TO_IT Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 If it is Core locked, we unfortunately won't be able to throw it on Oblits, but I was thinking it could be quite nice on Possessed or maybe Bikers in a pinch. Though I guess Dark Apostles can't stay close to Bikers really. Or possessed really, looking at their new supposed profile Oh yeah, I forgot they were getting a Movement buff. I hope the Master of Possession can at least keep up with Possessed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Inspirit Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Prayers - -1to hit (REPLACED) Now it is 1-3 hits always fail, no rerolls allowed Wow, that one seems pretty good.. Probably core locked... wouldnt want that on a leviathan dread would we? Could put it on 10 man brick of MoN terminators and combine it with Transnurgle physiology. Even if it only works on core, turning off rerolls is INSANELY powerful, as Custodes have shown. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 If it is Core locked, we unfortunately won't be able to throw it on Oblits, but I was thinking it could be quite nice on Possessed or maybe Bikers in a pinch. Though I guess Dark Apostles can't stay close to Bikers really. Or possessed really, looking at their new supposed profile Oh yeah, I forgot they were getting a Movement buff. I hope the Master of Possession can at least keep up with Possessed... He does look like he floats about, maybe now he can float abit faster? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benvarone Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 -priest het +2a(was +3) and ap2 (was ap4) on weapon Chris, can you clarify this? When I look at the current version of the Dark Apostle, he’s WS2+ 3A, with an Accursed Crozius weapon that’s S+1 AP1 D2. Are you saying that the Dark Apostle goes up WS3+ 5A, with AP2 on the Crozius now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 -priest het +2a(was +3) and ap2 (was ap4) on weapon Chris, can you clarify this? When I look at the current version of the Dark Apostle, he’s WS2+ 3A, with an Accursed Crozius weapon that’s S+1 AP1 D2. Are you saying that the Dark Apostle goes up WS3+ 5A, with AP2 on the Crozius now? I think this is for the omen of potency prayer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benvarone Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I think this is for the omen of potency prayer Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 AL dump this morning AL strats -the sabotage strat is now auto explode -fall back and shoot -12" deepstrike denial -shoot a unit that deepstrikes nearby -forward operatives, pregame move -conceal is replaced with untargetable beyond 12" AL WLT -sniper warlord trait -redeploy for up to 3.units -a cultist buff -i am alpharius is still there No news on the other warlord traits And for relics -one turn for battle ennemy strats cost +1cp on a 4+ (still there) - power sword with dd3 and causes -1 to hit (GONE) -bolt weapons wounds on +2(except vehicules and titanic), ignores cover (still there) -the combi bolter relic must be gone since no way foe HQ to get combis (GONE, no surprises there) -+2 armor, and transhuman - armor with 3d6 movemebt that can "ghostwalk" through units (still there) I'm so happy that most of our stuff made it through intact. The loss of the Shadeblade makes me sad, but the fact that the strats all survived or got better fills me with a certain glee. Thank you Chris! Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Standard spells -warptime still there but no charge -+1 to hit -no invul on 1 ennemy unit - 1 model get s+2 & +1a -3d6 each 4+ = 1mw -if d6 is bigger then T, then d3 MW and units within 6" take 1mw on a 4+ TheGodOfHammers, Lord Abaia and RolandTHTG 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Small correction to the priest self buff prayer. Its +3A and and +2 additional ap. RolandTHTG and TheGodOfHammers 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Trying to get the god specific strats. Edited March 31, 2022 by Clockworkchris TheGodOfHammers 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Looks like the CSM spells are unchanged more or less, which is great (though no charge after warp time is typical GW fail). Alpha Legion kept a lot of good strats, which is neat. I am curious whether the +6" range and -1 AP strat changes based on unit size. If it's 1 CP no matter what, it's a great strat. If it's 2 CP beyond 5 models in a unit, it's pretty terrible. For the prayer of 1-3 to hit always fails and no rerolls, is that an aura from the Dark Apostle to nearby units? Is it one unit he picks? I sure hope there is a strat for rerolls on Dark Apostle because even if you have Disciples, if you need a 2+ and roll a 1 it's a feels bad for the defensive buff on a key unit. Especially in the first turn. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoom Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Chris, can you cast prayers on non-core ? If that's the case, Obliterators have insane meme potential (remember that with MoP you can bring one back per turn). And small thought that crossed my head : if you use the Black Legion stratagem to switch the legion of a unit, if you take Creations of Bile, can you make it fight on death ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I don't remember if it's been covered, but are Accursed Cultists considered Troops? or Elites? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Looks like the CSM spells are unchanged more or less, which is great (though no charge after warp time is typical GW fail). Alpha Legion kept a lot of good strats, which is neat. I am curious whether the +6" range and -1 AP strat changes based on unit size. If it's 1 CP no matter what, it's a great strat. If it's 2 CP beyond 5 models in a unit, it's pretty terrible. For the prayer of 1-3 to hit always fails and no rerolls, is that an aura from the Dark Apostle to nearby units? Is it one unit he picks? I sure hope there is a strat for rerolls on Dark Apostle because even if you have Disciples, if you need a 2+ and roll a 1 it's a feels bad for the defensive buff on a key unit. Especially in the first turn. My guess is pick and choose 1 unit. This is all the info on prayers we are getting for right now, gotta keep ot vague against saurons all seeing eye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Dank Apostle, Sorcerer, and Master of Possession are all looking pretty good. Chaos Lords just might not be interesting enough to make the cut with their limited load outs. Personally I can see myself with an MoP, Apostle, and DP supporting a daemonkin heavy list. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) Dank Apostle, Sorcerer, and Master of Possession are all looking pretty good. Chaos Lords just might not be interesting enough to make the cut with their limited load outs. Personally I can see myself with an MoP, Apostle, and DP supporting a daemonkin heavy list. Agreed, lords are seemingly no longer worthwhile unless there’s an as of yet unmentioned ability or potential. Buffing gunlines to reroll ones, core only as seems most likely, I.e. havocs and brutes. I think that combo of HQs is nice. Lord Discordant seems ok despite chainglaive changes. Thanks as always for the info. I can't wait to see the new models, the teaser was pretty slick. Edited March 31, 2022 by Khornestar Lord Abaia 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 And the balefire tomes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DO_IT_TO_IT Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I wonder if Abaddon is still HQ slot or if he's moved to become a Supreme Commander. If he's HQ, the Black Legion HQ slot is pretty packed. I'll probably want a MoP for my Possessed and a Warpsmith since the autocannon Forgefiend will be nice with him (looking at the Thousand Sons datasheet). Lord Abaia 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Prayers -basic prayer still reroll all hits in melee -+1 to wound in melee - -1to hit (REPLACED) Now it is 1-3 hits always fail, no rerolls allowed - 6" aura when doing leadership test roll 2d6 discard the highest & fail action & fight last -+1 to hit (gone) -5++ buble is gone you said (gone) -priest het +2a(was +3) and ap2 (was ap4) on weapon And for god specifics -+d3 wounds (gone) -advance and charge (still there) -S+2 (gone) -T+2 (gone) Being able to advance and charge the new possesed will be tasty. Seek mid table cover turn 1 then move up to 15" turn 2. Not bad. Dank Apostle, Sorcerer, and Master of Possession are all looking pretty good. Chaos Lords just might not be interesting enough to make the cut with their limited load outs. Personally I can see myself with an MoP, Apostle, and DP supporting a daemonkin heavy list. You are right on the nose about lords. When you buy a character whos loaded for melee you have to think about delivery and honestly outside of terminator armour for deep strike what are your options?. Rhino or Landraider? More points invested and these transport just aren't good at the moment. You could go with a pod or termite but then that's probably still less efficient than terminator armour sooo. Your other option of course is to try to bring the foe to you, but looking at the firepower on display at the moment there is absolutely no chance of that. Our stand off firepower is going to be worse than loyalist marines so forget about that. In short vanilla lords won't be taken over terminators because they are slower as weird as that sounds. Lord Abaia and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Prayers -basic prayer still reroll all hits in melee -+1 to wound in melee - -1to hit (REPLACED) Now it is 1-3 hits always fail, no rerolls allowed - 6" aura when doing leadership test roll 2d6 discard the highest & fail action & fight last -+1 to hit (gone) -5++ buble is gone you said (gone) -priest het +2a(was +3) and ap2 (was ap4) on weapon And for god specifics -+d3 wounds (gone) -advance and charge (still there) -S+2 (gone) -T+2 (gone) Being able to advance and charge the new possesed will be tasty. Seek mid table cover turn 1 then move up to 15" turn 2. Not bad. Dank Apostle, Sorcerer, and Master of Possession are all looking pretty good. Chaos Lords just might not be interesting enough to make the cut with their limited load outs. Personally I can see myself with an MoP, Apostle, and DP supporting a daemonkin heavy list. You are right on the nose about lords. When you buy a character whos loaded for melee you have to think about delivery and honestly outside of terminator armour for deep strike what are your options?. Rhino or Landraider? More points invested and these transport just aren't good at the moment. You could go with a pod or termite but then that's probably still less efficient than terminator armour sooo. Your other option of course is to try to bring the foe to you, but looking at the firepower on display at the moment there is absolutely no chance of that. Our stand off firepower is going to be worse than loyalist marines so forget about that. In short vanilla lords won't be taken over terminators because they are slower as weird as that sounds. Unless it changes Advance and Charge only applies to the Priest like all the God-specific prayers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Prayers -basic prayer still reroll all hits in melee -+1 to wound in melee - -1to hit (REPLACED) Now it is 1-3 hits always fail, no rerolls allowed - 6" aura when doing leadership test roll 2d6 discard the highest & fail action & fight last -+1 to hit (gone) -5++ buble is gone you said (gone) -priest het +2a(was +3) and ap2 (was ap4) on weapon And for god specifics -+d3 wounds (gone) -advance and charge (still there) -S+2 (gone) -T+2 (gone) Being able to advance and charge the new possesed will be tasty. Seek mid table cover turn 1 then move up to 15" turn 2. Not bad. Dank Apostle, Sorcerer, and Master of Possession are all looking pretty good. Chaos Lords just might not be interesting enough to make the cut with their limited load outs. Personally I can see myself with an MoP, Apostle, and DP supporting a daemonkin heavy list. You are right on the nose about lords. When you buy a character whos loaded for melee you have to think about delivery and honestly outside of terminator armour for deep strike what are your options?. Rhino or Landraider? More points invested and these transport just aren't good at the moment. You could go with a pod or termite but then that's probably still less efficient than terminator armour sooo. Your other option of course is to try to bring the foe to you, but looking at the firepower on display at the moment there is absolutely no chance of that. Our stand off firepower is going to be worse than loyalist marines so forget about that. In short vanilla lords won't be taken over terminators because they are slower as weird as that sounds. Unless it changes Advance and Charge only applies to the Priest like all the God-specific prayers. So it does. Well he could keep up with possesed then maybe?. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Advance and charge prayer is dank apostle only. Or in dow2 retribution terms its a narcissistic prayer Vanger 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Advance and charge prayer is dank apostle only. Or in dow2 retribution terms its a narcissistic prayer Stone cold garbage :( Bit of a shame. I dont see why you ever want your apostle to advance and charge since his combat ability is limited. Toldavf and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/71/#findComment-5810394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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