Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) Loving the idea of having quite a psyker heavy list, in troop slots with legionnaires and then the standard sorcerer, MoP and daemon prince, what a phase that'd be! I gotta admit, i'm kinda feeling the same way. But, at the same time, I'm also kinda feeling sorry for TSons having their fire stolen from them, if you know what I mean? Edited April 12, 2022 by Grand_Master_Alpharius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5814865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Loving the idea of having quite a psyker heavy list, in troop slots with legionnaires and then the standard sorcerer, MoP and daemon prince, what a phase that'd be! I goota admit, i'm kinda feeling the same way. But, at the same time, I'm also kinda feeling sorry for TSons having their fire stolen from them, if you know what I mean? I see what you mean, although I am half expecting the legionaries balefire tome to have something where its not just a mini sorcerer in the squad, someone limiting itself, I'm not 100% on the 1k sons rules but I'm sure their disciplines are much better anyway. As a Word Bearers player, I'd love to see some form of malefic disciple throughout the army instead of just on the MoP. Khornestar and Grand_Master_Alpharius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5814917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) A door opens. Apparently the chaos knight mono bonus and overall pure list strength is going to fall short, which opens them up to soup possibilities if the CSM mono bonuses and overall strength also falls short. This could prop us up substantially. Edited April 12, 2022 by MegaVolt87 Marshal Mittens 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5814947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 From the N&R thread it looks like we will be able to take a Chaos Knight ally and retain our mono-build bonus so long as we limit ourselves to one Dreadblade. I'm not at all familiar with Knights or Chaos Knights, but I imagine that's all I would ever want to include so that I could save enough points to actually field a CSM army. Iron Father Ferrum and stayduned 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5814990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 A door opens. Apparently the chaos knight mono bonus and overall pure list strength is going to fall short, which opens them up to soup possibilities if the CSM mono bonuses and overall strength also falls short. This could prop us up substantially. I don't know the Legion Traits that have been shared so far are pretty nice. To the point I probably won't be taking a Daemon detachment along with my EC when the codex drops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5814995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikoneo Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 The main thing I'm hoping for are more Warlord Traits and relics that can serve as force multipliers. And also some more defensive focused ones. Honestly just anything beyond even more relic weapons, especially for the non legion specific ones Klamoor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 The main thing I'm hoping for are more Warlord Traits and relics that can serve as force multipliers. And also some more defensive focused ones. Honestly just anything beyond even more relic weapons, especially for the non legion specific ones Warlord Traits and Relics could be a big deal. Given we'll be getting 2 WLT with a stratagem and as many relics as your will to pay for, at a reduced cost. It could go either way for me though EC and Slaanesh in general have some pretty nice WLT and relics; but some pretty trash ones as well. It'll be really painful if we lose some of the better one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Loving the idea of having quite a psyker heavy list, in troop slots with legionnaires and then the standard sorcerer, MoP and daemon prince, what a phase that'd be! I goota admit, i'm kinda feeling the same way. But, at the same time, I'm also kinda feeling sorry for TSons having their fire stolen from them, if you know what I mean? I see what you mean, although I am half expecting the legionaries balefire tome to have something where its not just a mini sorcerer in the squad, someone limiting itself, I'm not 100% on the 1k sons rules but I'm sure their disciplines are much better anyway. As a Word Bearers player, I'd love to see some form of malefic disciple throughout the army instead of just on the MoP. Yes I agree, the TSons discipline selection is far batter, so at least they still have that. With the Legionaires I'm expecting a 1power + smite and 1 deny from hereticus, but hey, I might be pleasantly surprised, you never know right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 One thing we haven't discussed for the next book. When will abbadon steal the secrets of the primaris Marines. Yes I know I know that's heresy and not the good kind. But can you put it past gw to eventualy add traitor primaris in an attempt to make money? The question is not if but rather it is when I feel. The next codex seems unlikely but not impossible and while I can't say I would like to see them added they certainly would bulk up the roster. All things considered I would like some new unit types of Marines, I'd prefer they where first born but I'd accept primaris if it was done and I'd like them to reflect legion organisation rather than the codex astartes (our boo, was always written as a dark mirror to thel oyalists, we could be so much more). It would also be nice to see some esoteric, dark tech lost to the imperium 10k years ago enter our armoury there's plenty of scope in the fluff to give us some new guns to play with. Some of this would go towards mitigating our lost options, chaos Marines is starting to look a bit soupy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike8404 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) One thing we haven't discussed for the next book. When will abbadon steal the secrets of the primaris Marines. Yes I know I know that's heresy and not the good kind. But can you put it past gw to eventualy add traitor primaris in an attempt to make money? The question is not if but rather it is when I feel. The next codex seems unlikely but not impossible and while I can't say I would like to see them added they certainly would bulk up the roster. All things considered I would like some new unit types of Marines, I'd prefer they where first born but I'd accept primaris if it was done and I'd like them to reflect legion organisation rather than the codex astartes (our boo, was always written as a dark mirror to thel oyalists, we could be so much more). It would also be nice to see some esoteric, dark tech lost to the imperium 10k years ago enter our armoury there's plenty of scope in the fluff to give us some new guns to play with. Some of this would go towards mitigating our lost options, chaos Marines is starting to look a bit soupy. With CSM geeting the buffs they are, Primaris really aren't that different from standard CSM. Plus, Primaris really don't have anything to offer Chaos anymore then Demon Engines would for the Imperium. GW is pushing for Primaris to adhere to the old Legion organization (one unit filling one role vs one flexible unit) and Chaos is sticking to the flexibility First Born are known for Edited April 13, 2022 by Mike8404 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klamoor Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 The statlines are going to be the same. Just fluff your guys as having been juiced by a prototype of Bile's Primaris answer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 As long as they’ve got geneseeds to harvest, renegades and legions have what they need. Warp juice and other forbidden things can provide the edge needed. Plot armor in either direction notwithstanding. Things like possessed are likely to be big and beefy, wouldn’t be surprised if they end up on 40 mm bases but that’s pure speculation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 One thing we haven't discussed for the next book. When will abbadon steal the secrets of the primaris Marines. Yes I know I know that's heresy and not the good kind. But can you put it past gw to eventualy add traitor primaris in an attempt to make money? The question is not if but rather it is when I feel. The next codex seems unlikely but not impossible and while I can't say I would like to see them added they certainly would bulk up the roster. All things considered I would like some new unit types of Marines, I'd prefer they where first born but I'd accept primaris if it was done and I'd like them to reflect legion organisation rather than the codex astartes (our boo, was always written as a dark mirror to thel oyalists, we could be so much more). It would also be nice to see some esoteric, dark tech lost to the imperium 10k years ago enter our armoury there's plenty of scope in the fluff to give us some new guns to play with. Some of this would go towards mitigating our lost options, chaos Marines is starting to look a bit soupy. With CSM geeting the buffs they are, Primaris really aren't that different from standard CSM. Plus, Primaris really don't have anything to offer Chaos anymore then Demon Engines would for the Imperium. GW is pushing for Primaris to adhere to the old Legion organization (one unit filling one role vs one flexible unit) and Chaos is sticking to the flexibility First Born are known for Kind of an odd thing given that the main players for CSM were the highest ranking legionaries in their respective legions at the time of the Horus heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 One thing we haven't discussed for the next book. When will abbadon steal the secrets of the primaris Marines. Yes I know I know that's heresy and not the good kind. But can you put it past gw to eventualy add traitor primaris in an attempt to make money? The question is not if but rather it is when I feel. The next codex seems unlikely but not impossible and while I can't say I would like to see them added they certainly would bulk up the roster. All things considered I would like some new unit types of Marines, I'd prefer they where first born but I'd accept primaris if it was done and I'd like them to reflect legion organisation rather than the codex astartes (our boo, was always written as a dark mirror to thel oyalists, we could be so much more). It would also be nice to see some esoteric, dark tech lost to the imperium 10k years ago enter our armoury there's plenty of scope in the fluff to give us some new guns to play with. Some of this would go towards mitigating our lost options, chaos Marines is starting to look a bit soupy. Can't say that I can see CSM's being made into primaris. They are already almost as big, the only thing they lack is the better bolt rifle. I do agree with getting some more and different weapons, especially heavy weapons, to compensate for the lack of things like a multi-melta, heavy plasma, Grav Cannon etc.Either that or give us D3+3 on our lascannons! At least let me kill a marine, there is nothing more disheartening than rolling that "1" on your damage. Castle Wolfenstein 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Yeah Chosen and Possessed are our Primaris, just stick some in your CSM squads for the variety. stayduned 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 How are Word Bearers looking under the new rumoured rules? Repainted all my Bearers a while ago and fancied dipping my toe back into that Legion again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 How are Word Bearers looking under the new rumoured rules? Repainted all my Bearers a while ago and fancied dipping my toe back into that Legion again. If its true that after charging we can re roll hits, I think this is huge, much better then the current legion trait! If the auto pass strat for psykers is still there, as rumoured, then with access to more psykers in general, in our troop slots, this seems great! I keep looking at the 'wanton slaughter' which is 6s to wound case 1mw, 3 per unit, seems good but its only pistol / assault / melee so seems like we'll be trying to get really stuck into the fighting in this codex. Other then that, need more info for what's in store! strats for possessed etc?? Also, cultists are pretty fluffy for WB so a new unit and more attention to these, the better I say! Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I think this is the latest compilation of rumours: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page-72?do=findComment&comment=5810444 - in any event, I don't recall any more related to WB since then. Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I think this is the latest compilation of rumours: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page-72?do=findComment&comment=5810444 - in any event, I don't recall any more related to WB since then. Sorry about that i will make a post tonight of the current rumours with some corrections to the ones already there. Silas7, Warsmith sargos and Montford 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith sargos Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I think this is the latest compilation of rumours: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page-72?do=findComment&comment=5810444 - in any event, I don't recall any more related to WB since then. Sorry about that i will make a post tonight of the current rumours with some corrections to the ones already there. You able to post new info today? Or not yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet of the Despoiler Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I was in GW today and the guy working said two big releases one in June which he suspects is chaos and the other is July which he reckons is heresy. He was basing this around the dates he’d been told not to take holiday. Dr_Ruminahui, Lord Abaia, TheGodOfHammers and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I was in GW today and the guy working said two big releases one in June which he suspects is chaos and the other is July which he reckons is heresy. He was basing this around the dates he’d been told not to take holiday. Then theres my local GW manager who denies anything is getting released until GW announces it, she was even saying flat out (until the recent announcement) HH will not be getting an update/new edition with Mk6 marines even though we had seen all the images of the Mk6 months ago. :lol: But June/July you say, my birthdays in June so I may have to treat myself to a gift for not dying yet of my own stupidity... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 My personal guess is we will see a primaris vs chaos box with nee primaris as well in it with the chaos launch. Really excited for both that and horus heresy. Chaos needs some love. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 My personal guess is we will see a primaris vs chaos box with nee primaris as well in it with the chaos launch. Really excited for both that and horus heresy. Chaos needs some love. I fail to see why there would be any primaris in our launch box. It would be a handful of new chaos sculpts. I'm predicting chosen, new bikers, possessed some kind of character. Maybe a new power armoured sorc, or that demon hammer termi lord from the art. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) Because GW likes doing Vrs boxes, and Marines are fighting Chaos in the gauntlet in the current lore, and boxes with marines sell well. We got Shadowspear for vigilius. Look on the bright side, the Chaos stuff would probably be significantly discounted on the second hand market from a marine vs Chaos box. Also GW said this winter we would see the new primarias the new captain was leading soon. Likewise 2.0 SM is supposed to drop soon, we share a ton of wrapon profiles, makes sense to update them around the same time. I have no proof, I just suspect a Chaos vs Primaris box this summer. I collect both, so maybe it's wishful thinking. Edited April 13, 2022 by Marshall Mittens Iron Father Ferrum 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/81/#findComment-5815395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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