What to expect from 9e CSM

[Preliminary Bombardment]

Looking at that list of rumours the codex could be really fun. The only thing I thought was it was more likely that it would only be the chosen / vet squad who would be able to take the psyker and other special units rather than a standard legionary squad just for fluff reasons but we will see.

 

Temptation to order some Havoks, extra CSM and that latest box is rising. 

[Iron Father Ferrum]

They'll get exploding 6's to hit not ap bonus in turn 2/3 there is also the stratagem that is for bolt rounds, so you could have exploding 6's to hit, +1ap from Tzeentch and then another +1ap from the strat, plus the 6inch range from it to, oh and also the shoot again strat... another thing to look out for is the mini sorcerer, I've got a feeling they can only buff their unit, so could be like, hitting on 2+s for all of this maybe?

 

I don't think thats too bad for a unit that with AoC can sit on an objective mid/long ranged with maybe a heavy bolter to go all out on the bolter strat, add any buff charecters too maybe?

Alpha Legion's super doctrine is extra AP on RF and Assault weapons, so....AP3 bolters?

[Sandviper]

Looking at that list of rumours the codex could be really fun. The only thing I thought was it was more likely that it would only be the chosen / vet squad who would be able to take the psyker and other special units rather than a standard legionary squad just for fluff reasons but we will see.

 

Temptation to order some Havoks, extra CSM and that latest box is rising. 

 

I will say im not sold on havocs. They're too expensive right now for what they do, and that was before this armor of contempt, and I assume GW is going to increase them with a second wound. Currently that is the only change we know to them. However, with that being said, I think the wanton slaughter doctrine stuff may make them worth it. Im excited to see the full picture when we can. 

[Mike8404]

 

 

Looking at that list of rumours the codex could be really fun. The only thing I thought was it was more likely that it would only be the chosen / vet squad who would be able to take the psyker and other special units rather than a standard legionary squad just for fluff reasons but we will see.

 

Temptation to order some Havoks, extra CSM and that latest box is rising.

I will say im not sold on havocs. They're too expensive right now for what they do, and that was before this armor of contempt, and I assume GW is going to increase them with a second wound. Currently that is the only change we know to them. However, with that being said, I think the wanton slaughter doctrine stuff may make them worth it. Im excited to see the full picture when we can.

As far as CWC has said about Havocs,if I remember right, the only change they'll have is the extra wound Edited April 19, 2022 by Mike8404

[Petitioner's City]

Looking at that list of rumours the codex could be really fun. The only thing I thought was it was more likely that it would only be the chosen / vet squad who would be able to take the psyker and other special units rather than a standard legionary squad just for fluff reasons but we will see.

 

Temptation to order some Havoks, extra CSM and that latest box is rising. 

 

I would have liked both to have access to the options. Alas now that Chosen have their own kit now, they are option locked to what it contains rather than being a "better" version of a Legionary squad, which has its own divergent options thanks to the upgrade sprue. 

[Clockworkchris]

 

 

I am quite excited for yesterday's confirmations on some of these rumours. Really liking these beafier CSM profiles. As an IW player, I am just wondering if boltgun CSM will be even more useless compared to the chainsword variant than before. Is there anything in these rumours to help the poor boltgun? I think the Tzeentch icon, right? Anything else?

Yup Tzeentch icon is about it as far as I can tell. To be fair though, it will all come down to who you're fighting, against marines with the AoC changes, the additional AP really won't make much of a difference. But, bolt rifles will be mostly in the same bolt, so not much of issue there either.

Tzeentch icon +1ap shooting

Stratagem daemon shells gives bolt weapons +1ap and +6in

Certain super doctrines buff ap (alpha legion i believe)

[danodan123]

 

 

Looking at that list of rumours the codex could be really fun. The only thing I thought was it was more likely that it would only be the chosen / vet squad who would be able to take the psyker and other special units rather than a standard legionary squad just for fluff reasons but we will see.

 

Temptation to order some Havoks, extra CSM and that latest box is rising.

I will say im not sold on havocs. They're too expensive right now for what they do, and that was before this armor of contempt, and I assume GW is going to increase them with a second wound. Currently that is the only change we know to them. However, with that being said, I think the wanton slaughter doctrine stuff may make them worth it. Im excited to see the full picture when we can.

As far as CWC has said about Havocs,if I remember right, the only change they'll have is the extra wound

 

 

Not entirely sure where havocs fit in myself, for some of their anti infantry guns, it seems like other things are just better... I'd like to see them used for long ranged anti tank but as I'm sure a lot of people may agree, las cannons just don't quite do it.

 

Thinking about it straight after typing... a squad of chaincannons could be good... depending if they've changed and what points they turn out to be.

 

Heck, still not completely sure that we'll be able to fill a whole squad of whatever you want or be sprue dependant.

[Lord Abaia]

I wonder if the Red Corsairs still have the stratagem to bring back a CSM (now legionary) squad at full strength. I had figured it was useless with the max squad size dropping from 20 to 10, but the base profile + upgrades appear to be so much better that it may end up being worth it.

 

I've been thinking a lot about Red Corsairs lately with the possibility of Huron getting a new model. If he does, I may pull the trigger and paint my guys red and black (or acid green and black like I had planned and invoke the sacred rule of counts-as). I've never collected a sub faction with a named character before and it might be fun.

[Voodoom]

Not entirely sure where havocs fit in myself, for some of their anti infantry guns, it seems like other things are just better... I'd like to see them used for long ranged anti tank but as I'm sure a lot of people may agree, las cannons just don't quite do it.

 

Thinking about it straight after typing... a squad of chaincannons could be good... depending if they've changed and what points they turn out to be.

 

Heck, still not completely sure that we'll be able to fill a whole squad of whatever you want or be sprue dependant.

I agree. Havocs don't look good. Not being able to give them the Tzeentch icon is a shame.

As anti-infantry, they got really weakened by AoC : reaper chaincannons, heavy bolters and autocannon are now all AP0.

As anti-tank, lascannons are way too unreliable.

 

CSM may be lacking good anti-tank options. Our best bets are probably the Vindicator Laser Destroyer and Despoiler with the buffed double Thermal cannons (it leaked).

Maulerfiends may be decent options too, they murder vehicles in melee, but they have to get there...

Edited April 19, 2022 by Voodoom

[Mike8404]

Is anyone planning on running Knights? I was thinking about some of the new chaos Armiger variants for anti-tank

[TheGodOfHammers]

Is anyone planning on running Knights? I was thinking about some of the new chaos Armiger variants for anti-tank

With the new leaked Dreadblade rules, adding a Knight (even a War Dog with double daemonbreath spears) doesn't sound like a bad option, especially if you give them one of the Favours they have (like Blessing of the Dark Master to make sure they survive). Max would probably be like 150-160 points for a guy that can drop (hopefully, we don't know how much they changed the spears) up to 6 melta shots at a 30" range

[Abaddon303]

Have we seen any new weapon profiles? I'm kind of hoping for a buff to chainaxes since they are basically worse than chainsword now. AP-2 would be nice.

And the reaper Chaincannon could probably do with some help considering it's a 20pt heavy weapon that lands as many hits at the same profile as a bolt inceptor.

I'm presuming most of the shared weapons with loyalists won't change unless they get some kind of daemonic name change.

[ierp]

 

Looking at that list of rumours the codex could be really fun. The only thing I thought was it was more likely that it would only be the chosen / vet squad who would be able to take the psyker and other special units rather than a standard legionary squad just for fluff reasons but we will see.

 

Temptation to order some Havoks, extra CSM and that latest box is rising. 

 

I would have liked both to have access to the options. Alas now that Chosen have their own kit now, they are option locked to what it contains rather than being a "better" version of a Legionary squad, which has its own divergent options thanks to the upgrade sprue. 

 

Is the new chosen kit already out or are you talking for the future releases to come? I mean, is the new kill team box also a chosen kit? 

 

edit : nevermind, I have just remembered the Oldritch Omen box...

 

Also, I just saw on Warhammer Community that regular CSM (aka Legionnaries) will get 3A base : https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/18/two-wounds-are-only-the-beginning-for-chaos-space-marine-legionaries/

Edited April 19, 2022 by ierp

[danodan123]

 

 

 

 

Looking at that list of rumours the codex could be really fun. The only thing I thought was it was more likely that it would only be the chosen / vet squad who would be able to take the psyker and other special units rather than a standard legionary squad just for fluff reasons but we will see.

 

Temptation to order some Havoks, extra CSM and that latest box is rising.

I would have liked both to have access to the options. Alas now that Chosen have their own kit now, they are option locked to what it contains rather than being a "better" version of a Legionary squad, which has its own divergent options thanks to the upgrade sprue.

Is the new chosen kit already out or are you talking for the future releases to come? I mean, is the new kill team box also a chosen kit?

 

edit : nevermind, I have just remembered the Oldritch Omen box...

 

Also, I just saw on Warhammer Community that regular CSM (aka Legionnaries) will get 3A base : https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/18/two-wounds-are-only-the-beginning-for-chaos-space-marine-legionaries/

Chosen came out in the eldritch omens box, but not separately yet

 

Edit: you beat me to it :D

Edited April 19, 2022 by danodan123

[Toldavf]

I thought people would of realised I meant the loyalist codex ah well. 

On the subject of havocs they are almost a heavy intercessor, heavy bolters might be the only load out worth running everything else obliterators will just be better at. With the demon bolt strat you can get -2ap and they will be the cheapest loadout but honestly is a cp sink that will only put them onto a 4+ save (AOC to blame on a 5+ save this would be murder for marines).  The forgefiend has basically 3 plasma cannons, can be buffed to hit on 2+ with no cp cost, has -3ap the only down side is that its number of shots are less reliable but the number of targets it can engage is much better, 3 wound models tend to be expensive and while I hate dino bots on priceable I can't deny how good they are at killing gravis/nid warriors. 

At what is likely to be a unit that is 100 points+ before you buy it weapons I just don't know.

 

There is no chance the chain cannon gets a buff it's a really good gun at 8 shots its just not good vs marines (at least in havocs though there is something to be said for wound saturation) so it might be shelved for the stuff that is. Blame the lazy AOC fix.

 

I think we are mode likely to see legionaries carry a chain cannon as it can then be ap-2 and shoot twice giving it a much greater effect than having it in a havoc squad (odd I know but what can I say? AOC?).

 

Mileage depending on legion will obviously vary. 

Havocks will probably go from being a mainstay of the army to being a much more niche unit, due to their high cost limited load out and comparative lack of firepower. 

[GreaterChickenofTzeentch]

I thought people would of realised I meant the loyalist codex ah well. 

 

On the subject of havocs they are almost a heavy intercessor, heavy bolters might be the only load out worth running everything else obliterators will just be better at. With the demon bolt strat you can get -2ap and they will be the cheapest loadout but honestly is a cp sink that will only put them onto a 4+ save (AOC to blame on a 5+ save this would be murder for marines).  The forgefiend has basically 3 plasma cannons, can be buffed to hit on 2+ with no cp cost, has -3ap the only down side is that its number of shots are less reliable but the number of targets it can engage is much better, 3 wound models tend to be expensive and while I hate dino bots on priceable I can't deny how good they are at killing gravis/nid warriors. 

 

At what is likely to be a unit that is 100 points+ before you buy it weapons I just don't know.

 

There is no chance the chain cannon gets a buff it's a really good gun at 8 shots its just not good vs marines (at least in havocs though there is something to be said for wound saturation) so it might be shelved for the stuff that is. Blame the lazy AOC fix.

 

I think we are mode likely to see legionaries carry a chain cannon as it can then be ap-2 and shoot twice giving it a much greater effect than having it in a havoc squad (odd I know but what can I say? AOC?).

 

Mileage depending on legion will obviously vary. 

 

Havocks will probably go from being a mainstay of the army to being a much more niche unit, due to their high cost limited load out and comparative lack of firepower. 

I could see them getting some use in Black Legion, since they'll get +1 to hit against their closest target and rerolls of 1 to hit and wound will be plentiful. They'll also benefit from the leaked strat that lets them use all 3 "doctrines" at once since their champ can have an Assault Weapon.

 

Iron Warriors would be another interesting choice, since they get a durability boost, ignore cover, and the IW apparently have strats to boost Heavy Weapon output.

Edited April 19, 2022 by GreaterChickenofTzeentch

[Warsmith Anarax]

 

 

I thought people would of realised I meant the loyalist codex ah well.

 

On the subject of havocs they are almost a heavy intercessor, heavy bolters might be the only load out worth running everything else obliterators will just be better at. With the demon bolt strat you can get -2ap and they will be the cheapest loadout but honestly is a cp sink that will only put them onto a 4+ save (AOC to blame on a 5+ save this would be murder for marines). The forgefiend has basically 3 plasma cannons, can be buffed to hit on 2+ with no cp cost, has -3ap the only down side is that its number of shots are less reliable but the number of targets it can engage is much better, 3 wound models tend to be expensive and while I hate dino bots on priceable I can't deny how good they are at killing gravis/nid warriors.

 

At what is likely to be a unit that is 100 points+ before you buy it weapons I just don't know.

 

There is no chance the chain cannon gets a buff it's a really good gun at 8 shots its just not good vs marines (at least in havocs though there is something to be said for wound saturation) so it might be shelved for the stuff that is. Blame the lazy AOC fix.

 

I think we are mode likely to see legionaries carry a chain cannon as it can then be ap-2 and shoot twice giving it a much greater effect than having it in a havoc squad (odd I know but what can I say? AOC?).

 

Mileage depending on legion will obviously vary.

 

Havocks will probably go from being a mainstay of the army to being a much more niche unit, due to their high cost limited load out and comparative lack of firepower.

I could see them getting some use in Black Legion, since they'll get +1 to hit against their closest target and rerolls of 1 to hit and wound will be plentiful. They'll also benefit from the leaked strat that lets them use all 3 "doctrines" at once since their champ can have an Assault Weapon.

 

Iron Warriors would be another interesting choice, since they get a durability boost, ignore cover, and the IW apparently have strats to boost Heavy Weapon output.

Are you referring to methodical annihilation? Do we know if that's staying around?

[Warsmith Anarax]

Two questions for Chris if you are able to answer: 1) do the IW get to keep the fleshmetal exoskeleton? 2) Since marks are like our chapter upgrades, do we only get one of each per army or can we buy multiple of the same kind?

[GreaterChickenofTzeentch]

Are you referring to methodical annihilation? Do we know if that's staying around?

I'm referring to the strats on the last summary page here. IW appear to have one to boost damage.

Edited April 20, 2022 by GreaterChickenofTzeentch

[Warsmith Anarax]

 

Are you referring to methodical annihilation? Do we know if that's staying around?

I'm referring to the strats on the last summary page here. IW appear to have one to boost damage.

+1 damage on lascannons isn't the best but its something. That is if havocs can even get that buff.

[Warsmith sargos]

 

 

Are you referring to methodical annihilation? Do we know if that's staying around?

I'm referring to the strats on the last summary page here. IW appear to have one to boost damage.

+1 damage on lascannons isn't the best but its something. That is if havocs can even get that buff.

 

I hope we gonna see some help for Havoks

i do think Havoks will gain some use to IW 

[ApulianAbaddon]

So, no more news from Chris?

[Clockworkchris]

So, no more news from Chris?

Ive got news... jist cant share it :(

[Prophet of the Despoiler]

How good is the news?

[Grand_Master_Alpharius]

 

So, no more news from Chris?

Ive got news... jist cant share it

 

Hahahahaha... Such a tease!

 

Shame though, this is totally edge of the seat stuff!

Edited April 20, 2022 by Grand_Master_Alpharius