What to expect from 9e CSM

[Sception]

Chaos marines jobbing is just how the 40k team writes things.  Doesn't matter if they make up someone new or pull someone cool from a black library novel, as soon as they make it to the pages of an actual 40k campaign supplement they are going to fall all over themselves making a big show of getting outplayed and outclassed by whatever the newest loyalist release is.  Yes, there are exceptions, but they are rare, and have nothing to do with how cool a given character is or isn't.

[KalmDown]

Full renegade trait list is one of the most exciting things left to be revealed.

Indeed! But there are still a lot of strats and relics yet to be revealed. Some legions, such as Word Bearers, have hardly anything leaked so far. Others, such as Night Lords (am I sensing a bias here, CWC?) have basically everything leaked.

Edited April 28, 2022 by KalmDown

[Clockworkchris]

 

Full renegade trait list is one of the most exciting things left to be revealed.

Indeed! But there are still a lot of strats and relics yet to be revealed. Some legions, such as Word Bearers, have hardly anything leaked so far. Others, such as Night Lords (am I sensing a bias here, CWC?) have basically everything leaked.

Can confirm i am a NL. So obvious bias on my part haha.

[SarLuther]

 

 

 

So, no more news from Chris?

Ive got news... jist cant share it

Our dear oracle, newly joined the Forum but following it as a reader since the beginning.

 

Regarding the Fallen, we know Cypher will be in the Codex and the unit with name "Fallen" will be not there.But if there is Cypher there must be his Fallen, it's the nature of things.

 

In previous editions "Fallen" were an upgrade of another unit (normally Chosen or Veterans). The opinion I matured is that there could be a similar system in this Codex.

 

Could you spend a single token to your mysterious source and ask SOMETHING about what to expect about the Fallen? Thanks a lot!

Excuse me Chris. ANY kind of update regarding this matter?

Edited April 28, 2022 by SarLuther

[Lord Abaia]

Honestly I just don't get why Fallen aren't just lumped in as a legion with their own rules. They've got one of the few named characters in our book for the copse-emperor's sake. I guess they want them to remain ambiguous, but they end up just coming off as not actually a playable faction.

[Khornestar]

Army of renown detachment for Fallen or something interesting would have seemed like a reasonable way for them to address it in today’s environment. Or something in one of the Nachmund books.

[SarLuther]

Army of renown detachment for Fallen or something interesting would have seemed like a reasonable way for them to address it in today’s environment. Or something in one of the Nachmund books.

For sure it would be a nice solution. I was asking for some leak though

Edited April 28, 2022 by SarLuther

[SarLuther]

Honestly I just don't get why Fallen aren't just lumped in as a legion with their own rules. They've got one of the few named characters in our book for the copse-emperor's sake. I guess they want them to remain ambiguous, but they end up just coming off as not actually a playable faction.

Totally agreeing. They take a huge space in the lore. They have a named character. After more than two decades of patience, I am not waiting for a Codex anymore, but at least I would expect playable rules....

Edited April 28, 2022 by SarLuther

[WrathOfTheLion]

They should just get a legion trait (and other legion rules) and call it a day. That's the simplest and easiest way. That way they can be played at least. Edited April 28, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[TheWillTheWay]

So Chris, I have a few questions about the meta knowledge surrounding this codex.

 

I've been thinking about the timeline of when your friend tested these rules, when the codex was initially planned to be released, when it is finally releasing, and how the design might have changed during these periods.

 

People tend to think that GW is a stupid company, but I think that in this Rountree era they have actually adopted a very intelligent business strategy. There are some things I think they do that are out dated and the should improve on, but what do I know? They have an impressive run of increasing revenue each year.

 

This is all to say that I think GW has very good reasons for making Chaos wait this long for a codex. I think timings didn't work out and the project kept getting delayed until everything could be ready to sell at once. Among the most likely reasons I predict for this long wait is that GW missed the window to print the codex earlier, then had to wait for an opening in their printing cycle. If this happened, they might have realized the state of the game was different than they anticipated, and rewrote some of the rules. Maybe your friend play tested in various parts of this process; in fact my reasoning is that they are currently or have very recently playtested a final version of the rules, which is why you can't give us any more info, but obviously confirming or denying their activity would compromise their identity. 

 

 

Long story short, what are your personal thoughts about the likelyhood of these rules you are leaking having been changed since your friend first saw them? Apart from terminator and chaos lord loadout nerfs, is there anything you are skeptical of?
 

 

On a different note, can you tell me why you described the noise marine weapons as "GOOD" all those weeks ago without elaborating on what their stats are? It has been eating me up wondering what they are. Would publishing the stats be compromising to your source? Do they keep getting changed and you just don't know what they'll end up as? Did your source just not tell you?

Pardon my queries I'm a researcher; hypothesizing is my business.

Edited April 28, 2022 by TheWillTheWay

[Clockworkchris]

So Chris, I have a few questions about the meta knowledge surrounding this codex.

 

I've been thinking about the timeline of when your friend tested these rules, when the codex was initially planned to be released, when it is finally releasing, and how the design might have changed during these periods.

 

People tend to think that GW is a stupid company, but I think that in this Rountree era they have actually adopted a very intelligent business strategy. There are some things I think they do that are out dated and the should improve on, but what do I know? They have an impressive run of increasing revenue each year.

 

This is all to say that I think GW has very good reasons for making Chaos wait this long for a codex. I think timings didn't work out and the project kept getting delayed until everything could be ready to sell at once. Among the most likely reasons I predict for this long wait is that GW missed the window to print the codex earlier, then had to wait for an opening in their printing cycle. If this happened, they might have realized the state of the game was different than they anticipated, and rewrote some of the rules. Maybe your friend play tested in various parts of this process; in fact my reasoning is that they are currently or have very recently playtested a final version of the rules, which is why you can't give us any more info, but obviously confirming or denying their activity would compromise their identity. 

 

 

Long story short, what are your personal thoughts about the likelyhood of these rules you are leaking having been changed since your friend first saw them? Apart from terminator and chaos lord loadout nerfs, is there anything you are skeptical of?

 

 

On a different note, can you tell me why you described the noise marine weapons as "GOOD" all those weeks ago without elaborating on what their stats are? It has been eating me up wondering what they are. Would publishing the stats be compromising to your source? Do they keep getting changed and you just don't know what they'll end up as? Did your source just not tell you?

 

Pardon my queries I'm a researcher; hypothesizing is my business.

I can say that all I know is that my source only has 1 source of playtest rules, and he said that the were old. I believe them all to be true apart for the jump lord being out (just me hoping he isnt). The reason I cant share any more info for right now is James workshop are pretty pissed the almost 80% (my estimate) of the codex is leaked and we arent even the next codex to be released. 

 

Personnaly, I believe GW profit enormously by doing the flavour of the month releases, that tend to have codex creep so they can push product and then nerf it when theyve made enough money or the community starts getting real pissed. They should release all codexes at once and strive for game balance instead, because people have a limit to their patience. I have personnaly stopped buying any of their books and am 3d printing most of my units except for conversions, because  I am not a satisfied customer.

 

For the noise marines I dont know, I litterally have no info on them apart from what iwas told and that is that they are GOOD. Really I share everything I know here apart from when I stopped a little while ago.

[KalmDown]

 

 

Full renegade trait list is one of the most exciting things left to be revealed.

Indeed! But there are still a lot of strats and relics yet to be revealed. Some legions, such as Word Bearers, have hardly anything leaked so far. Others, such as Night Lords (am I sensing a bias here, CWC?) have basically everything leaked.

Can confirm i am a NL. So obvious bias on my part haha.

 

Fair play! If I were in your shoes I'd do the same for the Word Bearers.

 

I've been playing a few games using the new WB chapter tactic and doctrines and retooling hits on the charge is super useful, especially for things without core or flanking units that tend to be far away from buffs. WB warp talons are going to be something to fear.

[Grand_Master_Alpharius]

 

I agree with you about not giving said characters rules & models, but these are not ADB's characters. They're GW's characters. ADB may have created them and given them life, but GW approved them and GW owns them. So if GW wants to make Khayon model, ADB can do all about it.

 

He actually ran into this problem before. He stated at some point that he had to rewrite a significant portion if The Emperor's Gift because of the changes to the Grey Knights that were published in the 5th edition C:GK.

 

I don't think the issue is with IP, it's about continuity. Burning the candle at both ends leaves you with little space in the middle.

 

The thing about fleshing out Black Legion characters in-game: they would have to do the same with characters for other legions. GW has gifted writers who have created a robust stable of characters, giving each their due would take a lot of work.

 

GW is probably better off leaving this to kitbashers who can represent characters the way they choose. Just because a character is awesome doesn't mean he needs special rules.

Yes I agree, though the only caveat I would add to this, is Captain Karlean of the Blood Angels who is the commander of the first company and I only say this because he already has a model, including everything he has in the lore, but no statline. This has always struck me as a gross oversite.

[Grand_Master_Alpharius]

 

So Chris, I have a few questions about the meta knowledge surrounding this codex.

 

I've been thinking about the timeline of when your friend tested these rules, when the codex was initially planned to be released, when it is finally releasing, and how the design might have changed during these periods.

 

People tend to think that GW is a stupid company, but I think that in this Rountree era they have actually adopted a very intelligent business strategy. There are some things I think they do that are out dated and the should improve on, but what do I know? They have an impressive run of increasing revenue each year.

 

This is all to say that I think GW has very good reasons for making Chaos wait this long for a codex. I think timings didn't work out and the project kept getting delayed until everything could be ready to sell at once. Among the most likely reasons I predict for this long wait is that GW missed the window to print the codex earlier, then had to wait for an opening in their printing cycle. If this happened, they might have realized the state of the game was different than they anticipated, and rewrote some of the rules. Maybe your friend play tested in various parts of this process; in fact my reasoning is that they are currently or have very recently playtested a final version of the rules, which is why you can't give us any more info, but obviously confirming or denying their activity would compromise their identity. 

 

 

Long story short, what are your personal thoughts about the likelyhood of these rules you are leaking having been changed since your friend first saw them? Apart from terminator and chaos lord loadout nerfs, is there anything you are skeptical of?

 

 

On a different note, can you tell me why you described the noise marine weapons as "GOOD" all those weeks ago without elaborating on what their stats are? It has been eating me up wondering what they are. Would publishing the stats be compromising to your source? Do they keep getting changed and you just don't know what they'll end up as? Did your source just not tell you?

 

Pardon my queries I'm a researcher; hypothesizing is my business.

I can say that all I know is that my source only has 1 source of playtest rules, and he said that the were old. I believe them all to be true apart for the jump lord being out (just me hoping he isnt). The reason I cant share any more info for right now is James workshop are pretty pissed the almost 80% (my estimate) of the codex is leaked and we arent even the next codex to be released. 

 

Personnaly, I believe GW profit enormously by doing the flavour of the month releases, that tend to have codex creep so they can push product and then nerf it when theyve made enough money or the community starts getting real pissed. They should release all codexes at once and strive for game balance instead, because people have a limit to their patience. I have personnaly stopped buying any of their books and am 3d printing most of my units except for conversions, because  I am not a satisfied customer.

 

For the noise marines I dont know, I litterally have no info on them apart from what iwas told and that is that they are GOOD. Really I share everything I know here apart from when I stopped a little while ago.

 

My dude, I am sure that everyone here is very appreciative of all the intel you have given, I guess we're all just a little antsy and impatient after waiting for so long. I'm sure none of that is directed at you.

[Toldavf]

I wonder if we will get an army standard. Allot of other armies have flag bearers so it might be something they add.

[Clockworkchris]

I wonder if we will get an army standard. Allot of other armies have flag bearers so it might be something they add.

Cultist command squad

[Plaguecaster]

New daemon prince shown more for AOS but will easily be able to be used for 40k as well

Mind the bad quality it's spreading all over fb on warhammer fb pages and groups

Edited April 29, 2022 by Plaguecaster

[Marshal Mittens]

Cool looking model, wonder what it's 40k options will be.

[Khornestar]

New daemon prince shown more for AOS but will easily be able to be used for 40k as well

Mind the bad quality it's spreading all over fb on warhammer fb pages and groups

Oh my gods, it happened!

[danodan123]

I was just about to pick up a daemon prince this weekend, might hold off now! 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'd like a power armored standard bearer at some point, would be nice to have a few more options like an Ancient or an Apothecary.

 

The cultist will do for now though I guess.

[Sception]

The main new thing I've been crossing my fingers for for 20 odd years is a dedicated assault transport for melee marine infantry units.  We have so many of these units, and rhinos & regular-pattern land raiders really just don't do the trick for delivering them.  That and a special character each for the four unaligned legion.

 

Sounds like I'm not getting my wish on those fronts yet again.  Still, new bikes, possessed, & daemon prince will be nice, and I'm always in support of more renegades & heretics / lost & the damned / mutants & cultists / traitor guard type stuff (even if I would prefer to see it as its own codex) so I'm not complaining.

[Commander Dawnstar]

IW

• Reduce ap1/2 by 1

 

So if this is true, in light of the Armour of Contempt changes should we expect Iron Warriors to be errata'd to have the no re-rolls to wound effect like the Salamanders and the Order of the Valorous Heart?

 

[Agrest_IW]

New daemon prince shown more for AOS but will easily be able to be used for 40k as well

Mind the bad quality it's spreading all over fb on warhammer fb pages and groups

Hmm, he looks bigger, 8W for model this size is wierd IMO

[Iron Father Ferrum]

The table of contents fir the StD tome has also been leaked online and there's a warscroll for a new character named Etherza, Blade of the First Prince so that might not be a generic DP model.

 

It could still be *used* for 40K though.