Khornestar Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) Eh, as long as we’re just discussing the model there’s no issue here AFAIC. Things snowball at News & Rumors into off topic train wrecks rather quickly. We have nothing suggesting it’s got a 40k datasheet yet, so nothing beyond the mini to comment on beyond guesses/speculation. Edited April 29, 2022 by Khornestar Iron Father Ferrum and Bloody Legionnaire 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Is it just me or are the armor panels on the Daemon Prince vaguely power armor-esque? Not as clearlyhigh-fantasy as I would have thought. And the article does mention there is more than meets the eye with this model... maybe it will be for 40k, as well? The current plastic prince has vaguely csmesque armor as well, with alternate marine shoulder pads and backpack vents you can use instead of the wings for a more distinctly 40k option. I expect this model will be the same. Honestly I like it, but not enough to replace my old 3rd edition metal prince. gaurdian31 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Yeah, they were quite confusing on that, said no AoS statements, but even statements on their publications in the context of 40k counted somehow. Would've been so much easier if they just said 'don't talk about the Daemon prince' rather than the generic 'don't talk about AoS.' But it's not worth bothering further about, so I digress. I'd expect this one is like Be'lakor, so a kit for both systems. I'm hoping the cover art shown for our Codex means we'll get a new Chaos Lord, we really need one of those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 I'd much prefer a dedicated 40k DP kit to one that functions in both systems. The classic Juan Diaz model works so brilliantly because every part - from its power armoured boots to its backpack - has been sculpted to look like it was a Chaos Space Marine that has ascended. The current one, age aside, looks far more superficial because you're just plonking a handful of 40k-specific components on top of a daemon. GW didn't explicitly go "hey look this can be used in both settings!" like they usually do, so you never know. I would have expected them to highlight that usability/those options. If there are 40k-specific components in the kit, I hope they live up to the Diaz DP's quality. But I'll be crossing my fingers, however unlikely, for a dedicated 40k DP kit at some point down the road. WrathOfTheLion, Iron Father Ferrum and BadgersinHills 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I'd prefer a dedicated one too. If this is only single system, then hopefully that means there will be a separate sculpt, as I'd figure they'd want to retire the current one then. Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 GW didn't explicitly go "hey look this can be used in both settings!" like they usually do, so you never know. I would have expected them to highlight that usability/those options. No, but the line in the article "There’s more to this miniature than meets the eye, but you’ll have to stay tuned to Warhammer Community next week for more information" amounts to this: Silas7, Aarik, Bulwyf and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 They also said when someone asked them a direct question on whether it was also for 40k - 'wait and see', which they'd've obviously just said no if not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) They also said when someone asked them a direct question on whether it was also for 40k - 'wait and see', which they'd've obviously just said no if not. Nah not necessarily, "wait and see" and "we'll tell you know when we know more" is the community team's sacred motto. GW didn't explicitly go "hey look this can be used in both settings!" like they usually do, so you never know. I would have expected them to highlight that usability/those options. No, but the line in the article "There’s more to this miniature than meets the eye, but you’ll have to stay tuned to Warhammer Community next week for more information" amounts to this: Maybe, but again not necessarily; that could just refer to a wide variety of options, none of them 40k (e.g. we know from the AOS leaks there may be a named Daemon Prince character, presumably built out of the same kit if so: it could be referring to that). No doubt we'll see next week. My hopes are probably in vain but it is by no means cut & dry based on what we've seen/been told today Edited April 29, 2022 by Marshal Loss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 This one looks pretty cool, I certainly like it better than the plastic kit which always left me pretty cold. But I have to agree with those who posted above, the metal daemon prince by Juan Diaz is the high water mark of daemon prince models for my tastes. Iron Father Ferrum and Marshal Loss 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDops Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) From a Twitter post Something seems off with that photo. Might just be the angle but it seems a little flat and the possible lack of shadow is annoying me Edited April 29, 2022 by MDops techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Seems reasonable to share a model for both systems, as the current one does along with whatever else. Be’lakor has a dead primaris at his feet so a few relevant bits could do the same thing potentially for the prince. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 We better get a model like the guy on the front of the codex or a quick errata like the eldar got. I want a new lord model the guys from blackstone fortress is boring and unhelmeted. Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 We better get a model like the guy on the front of the codex or a quick errata like the eldar got. I want a new lord model the guys from blackstone fortress is boring and unhelmeted. A new multipart PA Chaos Lord model of the quality that Eldar got with the Autarch/Sisters got with the Canoness etc is my absolute dream right now Sarges, Doctor Perils, RolandTHTG and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 We better get a model like the guy on the front of the codex or a quick errata like the eldar got. I want a new lord model the guys from blackstone fortress is boring and unhelmeted. Sounded like Clockworkchris said the default loadout is thunder hammer but he still had access to other melee weapons. If this one datasheet in particular works the same way he does now he’d be able to trade the pistol/hammer out to make this loadout usable. Doesn’t mean it will work that way at all in the new dex, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Im not too bothered I had my post locked, its not the end of the world, not like Im sharing info on Squats having 'Men of Iron' in its own thread when there is a pre existing Squat thread just to get internet clout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 So, that's a hard pass on that Daemon Prince model for me. Looking at the codex cover leak if its a fake its a good one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 So, that's a hard pass on that Daemon Prince model for me. Looking at the codex cover leak if its a fake its a good one. It would of made sense for them to give it the avatar treatment and let players have options. Oh well another missed opportunity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) I noticed Raptors/Warp Talons new updates weapon profiles on their instructions while searching the interwebs today. It's confirmed those kits are not getting updated yet. Which, I'm not very surprised over. I believe they came out in 2012? That really isn't that long ago compared to other kits in the game and I'm sure GW is going to try and get as much money as they can out of a kit before replacing them. IMO they aren't even bad looking models. I do wish it was easier to get their jump packs onto the new bodies, though.. I'd much prefer a dedicated 40k DP kit to one that functions in both systems. The classic Juan Diaz model works so brilliantly because every part - from its power armoured boots to its backpack - has been sculpted to look like it was a Chaos Space Marine that has ascended. The current one, age aside, looks far more superficial because you're just plonking a handful of 40k-specific components on top of a daemon. GW didn't explicitly go "hey look this can be used in both settings!" like they usually do, so you never know. I would have expected them to highlight that usability/those options. If there are 40k-specific components in the kit, I hope they live up to the Diaz DP's quality. But I'll be crossing my fingers, however unlikely, for a dedicated 40k DP kit at some point down the road. 1st point, absolutely agreed. Wish I had picked up one of those models back in the day. 2nd point, I went back and watched the CSM adepticon preview on WC and the (pre-summed) Daemon Prince wing we get a glimpse of is very different from the one on this AoS Daemon Prince. I would suspect you are probably right and we'll wind up having a 40k specific DP. I'm honestly a little unsure on how I feel about that. I mean, they were able to do both with Belakor and put that in the same box.. why separate the Daemon Princes? I'm sure it winds up being a cost saving thing for GW to just include extra bits on a sprue to make the DPs for both.There is of course the possibility that glimpse we get is not a daemon prince at all.. however, who could it be? We already have Belakor.. I HIGHLY doubt is Angron or Fulgrim.. Edited April 30, 2022 by Bloody Legionnaire Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Of course you will be able to use it for both its literally a daemon, I have an entire nurgle army with nothing that picks it out specifically of being either for 40k or aos and I just built most of them exactly how they come in the box I don't really see why it needs a specific bit on it to make it usable or either system just glue a space marine head onto it and boom its a 40k model Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I noticed Raptors/Warp Talons new updates weapon profiles on their instructions while searching the interwebs today. It's confirmed those kits are not getting updated yet. Which, I'm not very surprised over. I believe they came out in 2012? That really isn't that long ago compared to other kits in the game and I'm sure GW is going to try and get as much money as they can out of a kit before replacing them. IMO they aren't even bad looking models. I do wish it was easier to get their jump packs onto the new bodies, though.. I'd much prefer a dedicated 40k DP kit to one that functions in both systems. The classic Juan Diaz model works so brilliantly because every part - from its power armoured boots to its backpack - has been sculpted to look like it was a Chaos Space Marine that has ascended. The current one, age aside, looks far more superficial because you're just plonking a handful of 40k-specific components on top of a daemon. GW didn't explicitly go "hey look this can be used in both settings!" like they usually do, so you never know. I would have expected them to highlight that usability/those options. If there are 40k-specific components in the kit, I hope they live up to the Diaz DP's quality. But I'll be crossing my fingers, however unlikely, for a dedicated 40k DP kit at some point down the road. 1st point, absolutely agreed. Wish I had picked up one of those models back in the day. 2nd point, I went back and watched the CSM adepticon preview on WC and the (pre-summed) Daemon Prince wing we get a glimpse of is very different from the one on this AoS Daemon Prince. I would suspect you are probably right and we'll wind up having a 40k specific DP. I'm honestly a little unsure on how I feel about that. I mean, they were able to do both with Belakor and put that in the same box.. why separate the Daemon Princes? I'm sure it winds up being a cost saving thing for GW to just include extra bits on a sprue to make the DPs for both. There is of course the possibility that glimpse we get is not a daemon prince at all.. however, who could it be? We already have Belakor.. I HIGHLY doubt is Angron or Fulgrim.. Pretty sure the preview wing was possessed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 From a Twitter post Something seems off with that photo. Might just be the angle but it seems a little flat and the possible lack of shadow is annoying me Can't make out most of what is there from this image. Are those rebreathers at the bottom? Is that a Raptor on the right? Why is the central figure wielding 2 hand weapons? Yes, something seems off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrozatarim Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I'm pretty sure that's a legitimate cover. It's the full art of a piece GW used part of in the recent article about Chaos Legionaries. They haven't shown the full artwork yet so there's nowhere for a faker to have copied it from. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/18/two-wounds-are-only-the-beginning-for-chaos-space-marine-legionaries/ WrathOfTheLion and TheGodOfHammers 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I'm pretty sure that's a legitimate cover. It's the full art of a piece GW used part of in the recent article about Chaos Legionaries. They haven't shown the full artwork yet so there's nowhere for a faker to have copied it from. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/18/two-wounds-are-only-the-beginning-for-chaos-space-marine-legionaries/ Agreed. It's likely more that the background image has been changed/camoflaged to hide something identifying. It certainly looks to me like it could be legit, so I'm gonna jump in the "yay a codex" camp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate Khornate Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I like the new Daemon Prince. It much more closely matches Chaos Daemons and allows for a non-astartes Daemon Prince. However I do see the issue at this time if you want a Daemon Prince ascended from astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I'd love to see what mechanics there are for interacting with Chaos Daemons, maybe similar mechanics to Dreadblade Chaos Knights. Unfortunately, I think we'll have to wait for the Daemons Codex for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/93/#findComment-5821353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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