What to expect from 9e CSM

[Warsmith Anarax]

 

I noticed Raptors/Warp Talons new updates weapon profiles on their instructions while searching the interwebs today. It's confirmed those kits are not getting updated yet. Which, I'm not very surprised over. I believe they came out in 2012? That really isn't that long ago compared to other kits in the game and I'm sure GW is going to try and get as much money as they can out of a kit before replacing them. IMO they aren't even bad looking models. I do wish it was easier to get their jump packs onto the new bodies, though..

 

 

I'd much prefer a dedicated 40k DP kit to one that functions in both systems. The classic Juan Diaz model works so brilliantly because every part - from its power armoured boots to its backpack - has been sculpted to look like it was a Chaos Space Marine that has ascended. The current one, age aside, looks far more superficial because you're just plonking a handful of 40k-specific components on top of a daemon.

 

GW didn't explicitly go "hey look this can be used in both settings!" like they usually do, so you never know. I would have expected them to highlight that usability/those options. If there are 40k-specific components in the kit, I hope they live up to the Diaz DP's quality. But I'll be crossing my fingers, however unlikely, for a dedicated 40k DP kit at some point down the road.

1st point, absolutely agreed. Wish I had picked up one of those models back in the day.

 

2nd point, I went back and watched the CSM adepticon preview on WC and the (pre-summed) Daemon Prince wing we get a glimpse of is very different from the one on this AoS Daemon Prince. I would suspect you are probably right and we'll wind up having a 40k specific DP. I'm honestly a little unsure on how I feel about that. I mean, they were able to do both with Belakor and put that in the same box.. why separate the Daemon Princes? I'm sure it winds up being a cost saving thing for GW to just include extra bits on a sprue to make the DPs for both.

 

There is of course the possibility that glimpse we get is not a daemon prince at all.. however, who could it be? We already have Belakor.. I HIGHLY doubt is Angron or Fulgrim..

Pretty sure the preview wing was possessed.

I agree. People seem to be forgetting that the current kit features two sets of wings.

[TheGodOfHammers]

 

 

Pretty sure the preview wing was possessed.

I agree. People seem to be forgetting that the current kit features two sets of wings.

 

Actually, the wing most likely belongs to that weird spawn that is silhouetted on the Warhammer Fest video. People over on the Word Bearer discord matched various parts of it with things from the Adepticon video (including the wing) and some Rumour Engines. It is assumed that it is a big Accursed Cultist

[Hathor42]

Some sneaky spy leaked a bunch of pics from the slaves of darkness book which is going to be almost the last book of the year it looks like for aos.

 

Get on it alpha legion we need some codex pics lol.

[Warsmith Anarax]

 

 

 

Pretty sure the preview wing was possessed.

I agree. People seem to be forgetting that the current kit features two sets of wings.

Actually, the wing most likely belongs to that weird spawn that is silhouetted on the Warhammer Fest video. People over on the Word Bearer discord matched various parts of it with things from the Adepticon video (including the wing) and some Rumour Engines. It is assumed that it is a big Accursed Cultist

Could be. Just saying that there are other things with wings. Funny you mention the word bearer discord cause I'm the owner though I haven't been active in a while.

[BitsHammer]

If the Twitter poster was @Bitshammer then that was me. I saw the image on Reddit and shared it but had no other information.

[TheGodOfHammers]

If the Twitter poster was @Bitshammer then that was me. I saw the image on Reddit and shared it but had no other information.

It was

[BitsHammer]

 

 

If the Twitter poster was @Bitshammer then that was me. I saw the image on Reddit and shared it but had no other information.

It was

Sorry for the confusion. I am sadly not a source of leaks and at best can just sjare neat stuff I find online. I don't know for certain if that is the codex or a clever fake. Hopefully GW shows us the answer this week.

[Guzzlrr]

 

 

If the Twitter poster was @Bitshammer then that was me. I saw the image on Reddit and shared it but had no other information.

It was

Sorry for the confusion. I am sadly not a source of leaks and at best can just sjare neat stuff I find online. I don't know for certain if that is the codex or a clever fake. Hopefully GW shows us the answer this week.

 

Thats exactly what a leaker would say! 

[SarLuther]

So basically there is really no hope to have more leaks about Fallen and Cypher.... (Yes, Cypher is in the Codex and Fallen are not,but that's about no information)

[Volgon]

So basically there is really no hope to have more leaks about Fallen and Cypher.... (Yes, Cypher is in the Codex and Fallen are not,but that's about no information)

 

Your questions aren't falling on deaf ears; Clockworkchris has repeatedly stated that they can no longer leak anything for fear of GW retribution against their source.

[Prophet of the Despoiler]

I’d love to see cypher as an agent of chaos, with ignoring look out sir pistols like the gene stealer character.

[Closet Skeleton]

 

 

Just to get ahead of this a bit, let's keep discussion of it to the potential for 40K use. We're not an AoS site.

lol , demon prince is demon prince can be used in aos and wh40k

I'm aware. This is just a friendly reminder so folks don't start remarking on it's AoS stat block or use in that game. This is not the appropriate place for those discussions.

 

 

The AoS statblock reveals that it has a helforged sword, malefic talon and daemonic axe option so it is relevant to whether or not it can be used in 40k. It also mentions that the wings are optional.

 

Daemon Princes are also legal in many 40k codexes so its not just the Heretic Astartes forum that matters for.

 

 

I like the new Daemon Prince. It much more closely matches Chaos Daemons and allows for a non-astartes Daemon Prince.

 

However I do see the issue at this time if you want a Daemon Prince ascended from astartes.

 

The current terrible DP model doesn't force you to build an astartes prince.

 

 

This one looks pretty cool, I certainly like it better than the plastic kit which always left me pretty cold. But I have to agree with those who posted above, the metal daemon prince by Juan Diaz is the high water mark of daemon prince models for my tastes.

 

Meh, its a good sculpt but I'd take any collector's personal conversion over it. Probably has the least personality of any daemon prince other than the FW Khorne one.

[Klamoor]

Crazy how a book that was supposedly coming out in December is getting leaked nearly in full but CSM are still hoarse with bitter thirst.

 

It'll be interesting to see how they decide what gets Legion Traits. They really don't do the ONLY INFANTRY AND BIKES thing in newer codices. Thousand Sons and Death Guard restricted their Legion abilities to a Second Astartes keyword, but CSM have no such keyword. How will they prevent Daemon Engines from getting Legion Traits, as they seem so dead set on doing?

If the Twitter poster was @Bitshammer then that was me. I saw the image on Reddit and shared it but had no other information.

Eeeeyyy, it's dat guy!

[BitsHammer]

Crazy how a book that was supposedly coming out in December is getting leaked nearly in full but CSM are still hoarse with bitter thirst.

 

It'll be interesting to see how they decide what gets Legion Traits. They really don't do the ONLY INFANTRY AND BIKES thing in newer codices. Thousand Sons and Death Guard restricted their Legion abilities to a Second Astartes keyword, but CSM have no such keyword. How will they prevent Daemon Engines from getting Legion Traits, as they seem so dead set on doing?

If the Twitter poster was @Bitshammer then that was me. I saw the image on Reddit and shared it but had no other information.

Eeeeyyy, it's dat guy!

 

I am always surprised when I run into people following my nonsense in other places. 

 

That said, I'm looking forward to the book. I suspect we'll start seeing more soon.

[Irate Khornate]

 

 

I like the new Daemon Prince. It much more closely matches Chaos Daemons and allows for a non-astartes Daemon Prince.

 

However I do see the issue at this time if you want a Daemon Prince ascended from astartes.

The current terrible DP model doesn't force you to build an astartes prince.

 

It does if you don't want a bare chest. But that's splitting hairs. New kit is phenomenal.

[TheWillTheWay]

Crazy how a book that was supposedly coming out in December is getting leaked nearly in full but CSM are still hoarse with bitter thirst.

 

It'll be interesting to see how they decide what gets Legion Traits. They really don't do the ONLY INFANTRY AND BIKES thing in newer codices. Thousand Sons and Death Guard restricted their Legion abilities to a Second Astartes keyword, but CSM have no such keyword. How will they prevent Daemon Engines from getting Legion Traits, as they seem so dead set on doing? 

If that's the road that they want to go down they can always contrive some similar keyword to represent non daemon engines. I'm not so certain they will though. The plague companies and great cults don't provide army wide passives like our legions do. Look at any army that has selectable subfactions that provide traits. E.g. space marines and chapter tactics, Aeldari and attributes, Drukhari and Obsessions, Admech and Dogmas, etc. etc. for every single one. Their passives apply to all units in their army with the exception of agents of the imperium and some very specific models (for Aeldari it's just the Avatar of Khaine).

 

I don't have much to the converse, that other factions that do not gain a passive from their selectable faction do not see a detachment rule that is limited to a contrived keyword. In fact the grey knights do not get any bonus from their brotherhoods, but they do have "The Aegis" which applies to all units in their army. 

 

So you could be right that they just want to hate on Daemon Engines as the one type of vehicle in the game that doesn't benefit from subfaction passives, but I think that there is enough of a precedent in the other direction to at least give us hope.

 

I'm painting two venomcrawlers that I plan to be advancing and shooting with, ignoring all hit penalties a la EC  legion trait. It would really suck if I couldn't do that.

Edited May 2, 2022 by TheWillTheWay

[Grand_Master_Alpharius]

 

Crazy how a book that was supposedly coming out in December is getting leaked nearly in full but CSM are still hoarse with bitter thirst.

 

It'll be interesting to see how they decide what gets Legion Traits. They really don't do the ONLY INFANTRY AND BIKES thing in newer codices. Thousand Sons and Death Guard restricted their Legion abilities to a Second Astartes keyword, but CSM have no such keyword. How will they prevent Daemon Engines from getting Legion Traits, as they seem so dead set on doing? 

If that's the road that they want to go down they can always contrive some similar keyword to represent non daemon engines. I'm not so certain they will though. The plague companies and great cults don't provide army wide passives like our legions do. Look at any army that has selectable subfactions that provide traits. E.g. space marines and chapter tactics, Aeldari and attributes, Drukhari and Obsessions, Admech and Dogmas, etc. etc. for every single one. Their passives apply to all units in their army with the exception of agents of the imperium and some very specific models (for Aeldari it's just the Avatar of Khaine).

 

I don't have much to the converse, that other factions that do not gain a passive from their selectable faction see a detachment rule that is limited to a contrived keyword. In fact the grey knights do not get any bonus from their brotherhoods, but they do have "The Aegis" which applies to all units in their army. 

 

So you could be right that they just want to hate on Daemon Engines as the one type of vehicle in the game that doesn't benefit from subfaction passives, but I think that there is enough of a precedent in the other direction to at least give us hope.

 

I'm painting two venomcrawlers that I plan to be advancing and shooting with, ignoring all hit penalties a la EC  legion trait. It would really suck if I couldn't do that.

 

See now, I really don't think that daemon engines are gonna take a hit like that. I play Alpha Legion so have kept a close eye on those leaks. I bring this up because that leak has -1 to hit 12" away, if wounds are 10+ then it's 18". Now I assume that means it's also for Daemon Engines and maybe vehicles as well, when it used to just be infantry hellbrutes and bikers. So I have to assume that daemon engines are going to have access to at least that trait aswell. Although I could be incredibly off base.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Grand_Master_Alpharius

[spessmarine]

Crazy how a book that was supposedly coming out in December is getting leaked nearly in full but CSM are still hoarse with bitter thirst.

 

It'll be interesting to see how they decide what gets Legion Traits. They really don't do the ONLY INFANTRY AND BIKES thing in newer codices. Thousand Sons and Death Guard restricted their Legion abilities to a Second Astartes keyword, but CSM have no such keyword. How will they prevent Daemon Engines from getting Legion Traits, as they seem so dead set on doing?

Eeeeyyy, it's dat guy!

 

Actually, a Winter slot means it could be as late as March 2023.

Funny though, comparing fantasy chaos and CSM, some parallels.

- waiting ages for book

- leaks and teases to tantalize

- model releases

 

what's up GW, what is with the edging tactic for chaos all of a sudden?

[SarLuther]

<p>

 

CSM legionaries (5-10)

• legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice
• same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC)
• Ld9
• loadout:
• AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list
• Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords
• 1 legionaire can take a special weapon
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon
• 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)
• 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

 

Chosen (5-10)

• 3w
• Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
• WS 3+/BS 3+/ 3A (champion 4a)
• can take icon
• Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits
• Loadout:
• everyone comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with a combi-weapon
• 1 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with an additional accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)

 

 

I find a couple of loadout option a bit odd.

 

Troop Legionnaires: Why can they take only 1 special weapon + 1 heavy weapon? For a full melee squad it's a nonsense. They don't need a heavy weapon,they need 2 special weapon (as it always was).

 

Chosen: Why only combi-weapon and no special weapon?

 

What's your opinion on that?

[Grand_Master_Alpharius]

 

<p>

 

 

CSM legionaries (5-10)

• legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice
• same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC)
• Ld9
• loadout:
• AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list
• Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords
• 1 legionaire can take a special weapon
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon
• 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)
• 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

 

Chosen (5-10)

• 3w
• Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
• WS 3+/BS 3+/ 3A (champion 4a)
• can take icon
• Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits
• Loadout:
• everyone comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with a combi-weapon
• 1 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with an additional accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)

 

 

I find a couple of loadout option a bit odd.

 

Troop Legionnaires: Why can they take only 1 special weapon + 1 heavy weapon? For a full melee squad it's a nonsense. They don't need a heavy weapon,they need 2 special weapon (as it always was).

 

Chosen: Why only combi-weapon and no special weapon?

 

What's your opinion on that?

 

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this. I agree a melee squad with two flamers is absolutely the way to go! This whole, only armed with what is in the box nonsense is just that, nonsense. No idea why GW thinks this is a good idea, from a business stand poiint, why wouyld they not want to sell more boxes so you can have whaterver laod-out you wish, especially with the terminators and chosen.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Grand_Master_Alpharius

[Warsmith sargos]

 

 

<p>

 

 

CSM legionaries (5-10)

• legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice
• same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC)
• Ld9
• loadout:
• AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list
• Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords
• 1 legionaire can take a special weapon
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon
• 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)
• 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

 

Chosen (5-10)

• 3w
• Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
• WS 3+/BS 3+/ 3A (champion 4a)
• can take icon
• Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits
• Loadout:
• everyone comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with a combi-weapon
• 1 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with an additional accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)

 

 

I find a couple of loadout option a bit odd.

 

Troop Legionnaires: Why can they take only 1 special weapon + 1 heavy weapon? For a full melee squad it's a nonsense. They don't need a heavy weapon,they need 2 special weapon (as it always was).

 

Chosen: Why only combi-weapon and no special weapon?

 

What's your opinion on that?

 

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this. I agree a melee squad with two flamers is absolutely the way to go! This whole, only armed with what is in the box nonsense is just that, nonsense. No idea why GW thinks this is a good idea, from a business stand poiint, why wouyld they not want to sell more boxes so you can have whaterver laod-out you wish, especially with the terminators and chosen.

 

trying to understand GW?

GW works in mysterious ways 

 

[Cheex]

 

 

 

<p>

 

 

CSM legionaries (5-10)

• legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice
• same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC)
• Ld9
• loadout:
• AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list
• Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords
• 1 legionaire can take a special weapon
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon
• 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)
• 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

 

Chosen (5-10)

• 3w
• Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
• WS 3+/BS 3+/ 3A (champion 4a)
• can take icon
• Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits
• Loadout:
• everyone comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with a combi-weapon
• 1 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with an additional accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)

 

 

I find a couple of loadout option a bit odd.

 

Troop Legionnaires: Why can they take only 1 special weapon + 1 heavy weapon? For a full melee squad it's a nonsense. They don't need a heavy weapon,they need 2 special weapon (as it always was).

 

Chosen: Why only combi-weapon and no special weapon?

 

What's your opinion on that?

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this. I agree a melee squad with two flamers is absolutely the way to go! This whole, only armed with what is in the box nonsense is just that, nonsense. No idea why GW thinks this is a good idea, from a business stand poiint, why wouyld they not want to sell more boxes so you can have whaterver laod-out you wish, especially with the terminators and chosen.

It's a natural progression after the whole Chapterhouse debacle. And with 3D printers becoming so much better and affordable, you can understand why GW might want to limit weapons.

 

I absolutely disagree with it, but i can understand the reasoning.

[SarLuther]

 

 

 

<p>

 

 

CSM legionaries (5-10)

• legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice
• same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC)
• Ld9
• loadout:
• AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list
• Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords
• 1 legionaire can take a special weapon
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon
• 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)
• 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

 

Chosen (5-10)

• 3w
• Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
• WS 3+/BS 3+/ 3A (champion 4a)
• can take icon
• Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits
• Loadout:
• everyone comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with a combi-weapon
• 1 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with an additional accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)

 

 

I find a couple of loadout option a bit odd.

 

Troop Legionnaires: Why can they take only 1 special weapon + 1 heavy weapon? For a full melee squad it's a nonsense. They don't need a heavy weapon,they need 2 special weapon (as it always was).

 

Chosen: Why only combi-weapon and no special weapon?

 

What's your opinion on that?

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this. I agree a melee squad with two flamers is absolutely the way to go! This whole, only armed with what is in the box nonsense is just that, nonsense. No idea why GW thinks this is a good idea, from a business stand poiint, why wouyld they not want to sell more boxes so you can have whaterver laod-out you wish, especially with the terminators and chosen.

The "you can equip your marine only with what is the box" policy is not even a good excuse as in the CSM kit there are plenty of special weapon options (one of each).... They could give a simple limitation like the Plague Marine (one of each). But the mandatory mandatory heavy weapon is a nonsense and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

<p>

 

 

CSM legionaries (5-10)

• legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice
• same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC)
• Ld9
• loadout:
• AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list
• Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords
• 1 legionaire can take a special weapon
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon
• 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)
• 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

 

Chosen (5-10)

• 3w
• Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
• WS 3+/BS 3+/ 3A (champion 4a)
• can take icon
• Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits
• Loadout:
• everyone comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with a combi-weapon
• 1 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with an additional accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)

 

 

I find a couple of loadout option a bit odd.

 

Troop Legionnaires: Why can they take only 1 special weapon + 1 heavy weapon? For a full melee squad it's a nonsense. They don't need a heavy weapon,they need 2 special weapon (as it always was).

 

Chosen: Why only combi-weapon and no special weapon?

 

What's your opinion on that?

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this. I agree a melee squad with two flamers is absolutely the way to go! This whole, only armed with what is in the box nonsense is just that, nonsense. No idea why GW thinks this is a good idea, from a business stand poiint, why wouyld they not want to sell more boxes so you can have whaterver laod-out you wish, especially with the terminators and chosen.

trying to understand GW?

GW works in mysterious ways

Only GW understands GW and often they don't even agree with themselves Edited May 2, 2022 by SarLuther

[SarLuther]

 

 

 

 

<p>

 

 

CSM legionaries (5-10)

• legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice
• same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC)
• Ld9
• loadout:
• AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list
• Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords
• 1 legionaire can take a special weapon
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon
• 1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)
• 1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)
• 1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

 

Chosen (5-10)

• 3w
• Stat wise similar to CSM troops (6'' S4 T4 3+/no invul)
• WS 3+/BS 3+/ 3A (champion 4a)
• can take icon
• Gain gain an additional trait that you can choose, this trait is one of traits from the list of build a warband traits
• Loadout:
• everyone comes with a bolter, bolt pistol and accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolt pistol with a plasma pistol
• 2 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with a combi-weapon
• 1 per 5 chosen can replace their bolter with an additional accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1A)

 

 

I find a couple of loadout option a bit odd.

 

Troop Legionnaires: Why can they take only 1 special weapon + 1 heavy weapon? For a full melee squad it's a nonsense. They don't need a heavy weapon,they need 2 special weapon (as it always was).

 

Chosen: Why only combi-weapon and no special weapon?

 

What's your opinion on that?

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this. I agree a melee squad with two flamers is absolutely the way to go! This whole, only armed with what is in the box nonsense is just that, nonsense. No idea why GW thinks this is a good idea, from a business stand poiint, why wouyld they not want to sell more boxes so you can have whaterver laod-out you wish, especially with the terminators and chosen.

It's a natural progression after the whole Chapterhouse debacle. And with 3D printers becoming so much better and affordable, you can understand why GW might want to limit weapons.

 

I absolutely disagree with it, but i can understand the reasoning.

As I replied above,the CSM kit has 1 of each special weapon. They could limit the equipment like the Plague Marine (one of each). This mandatory heavy weapon is a nonsense for my Khorne Marked full Chainsword Marine squad. I really don't need that heavy weapon and I don't think I am the only one with this problem. Edited May 2, 2022 by SarLuther

[SarLuther]

Regarding the Exhalted Champion, I am confused for something I read in the leak. It says "Power Axe and Combi-Melta as equipped in the model, equipment cannot be change".

 

It is fine for me as my Exhalted Champion accidentally has exactly this loadout... but...what "model"? I know only the Dark Vengeance one and there's no Combi-Melta.