Marshal Mittens Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) In my case, the dark horse of the reveals has to be the Dark Commune. It was one of the new options I did not care about in the slighest and why would I? Chaos Space Marines should be lead by Chaos Space Marines, not some mortal cannon fodder! I was expecting them to be just a bunch of cultists in style of the Abyss guys or maybe the GSC characters. But instead we got something from the Darkest Dungeon. The aesthetic looks just great, I especially adore the masked bodyguards, but the rest looks really cool as well. The psyker one is weird at the first glance, but the head seems to be a grimdark weapon, rather than belonging to the cultist themselves. Yeah, I like those guys. They went from complete "nah" to "yeah, I want them" in my eyes. There were metal cultists from back in the day that the huge sword guys seem based off. They seem to be leaning heavy into the old school These models are very much not the PG of other recent GW releases. Edited May 5, 2022 by Marshall Mittens Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas7 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 The cultist command feels like a poor mans attempt at Triumph of St Katherine. That just means people can go wild with display boards I guess. techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 The cultist command feels like a poor mans attempt at Triumph of St Katherine. That just means people can go wild with display boards I guess. It's not a single giant base, so not really. They feel more like a cultist command squad. Honestly I look at the mortals and I'm like "Word Bearer players will love these". Heck, they make me think about Word Bearers and I've been riding a post-Night Lords Omnibus high for a while now. And I get that some people are poo-pooing them, but if you permit me to put my old man hat and suspenders on for a moment: mortals should have never left the CSM book. The CSM are not "loyalist with spikes". They can't replace their losses at even half the rate of loyalist Marines, and rely on their mortal slaves more than loyalists do their servants so they use mortal chattel, cultists, or the local mutant population riled up to a frenzy to catch bullets for them, break the local PDF or just drown enemy Astartes in bodies. Some of the Traitors are even well known for their use of mortals (Word Bearers, Night Lords and Alpha Legion being the most famous for it) so even if it doesn't fit your specific warband it still fits the overall faction and can/will fit someone else's warband. Now, finger wagging aside, it's not like the CSM proper are being treated poorly here either. We got new Chosen, a new Warpsmith, an upgrade sprue for the Legionnaires (who are not only gaining a bonus wound but going to three base attacks), and new Possessed. This is a solid release, and I'm willing to bet some of us are going to be piggybacking off of the Horus Heresy releases as well for the less corrupted, but still ancient Astartes look which only opens even more options for us. Dr_Ruminahui, Khornestar, techsoldaten and 7 others 10 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Unless I'm mistaken we didn't see any rumors that we were getting a new demon prince, did we? Now I certainly don't want to assume anything, but it's possible we'll see other unexpected kits. Multipart chaos lord would be swell, though I know based on Clockworkchris's leaks that seems unlikely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Unless I'm mistaken we didn't see any rumors that we were getting a new demon prince, did we? Now I certainly don't want to assume anything, but it's possible we'll see other unexpected kits. Multipart chaos lord would be swell, though I know based on Clockworkchris's leaks that seems unlikely. It might have slipped by because it's not gaining new rules and the model is a dual release with AoS. Khornestar and Doctor Perils 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I don't see the start collecting on the webstore anymore. Bikers are also no longer available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Man seeing the accursed cultists/torments makes me even more sad they aren't getting the Daemonkin keyword, they seem like they fit right on with the master of Possession and new Possessed. Maybe it'll get addressed in an FAQ? Silas7 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Unless I'm mistaken we didn't see any rumors that we were getting a new demon prince, did we? Now I certainly don't want to assume anything, but it's possible we'll see other unexpected kits. Multipart chaos lord would be swell, though I know based on Clockworkchris's leaks that seems unlikely. Still holding out hope for Obliterators and Venomcrawlers in their own box. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxeC Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) I must be the only one who likes to run chaos without heavy corruption, like 4th legion are shown doing in even the most recent siege of terra lore, so this reveal has been a big ol' flop for me. Not a single model shown aside the basic cultists, which just got minor blackstone fortress changes isnt just corrupted out the . Hope they give us rules for things besides these, all melee-focused chaos corrupt units. I play/build IW exactly this way as well, and I'm happy with it. The way I see it, IW are more than happy to use Chaos as a sort of weapon. Ultimately it comes back to this hubristic idea of 'others can't control it but I can'. They won't countenance being corrupted themselves as that flies in the face of the above, but some worthless cultist? Stick a demon inside them, throw it at the enemy, see what happens. They do it to machines/tools, so why not humans they probably view as tools? Although the series/book has it's issues, I guess 'Dead Sky, Black Sun' would be something I'd highlight as supporting the idea that IW will happily use Chaos, specifically on other individuals, as long as they don't feel it's using them. I think it's also worth highlighting (I may have missed it if someone pointed out above) that, based on the DP, it looks like we're seeing the return of Chaos Undivided which is a massive win for me as an IW player who always felt uncomfortable choosing marks. I must be the only one who likes to run chaos without heavy corruption, like 4th legion are shown doing in even the most recent siege of terra lore. Big reveals for you are later in the week then. Every csm player who prefers their traitor marines frozen in time since the seige of terra has an entire game's worth of minis coming soon. That sounds more snarky than I intend it to be, but yeah. 30k model line aesthetic seems to be all about that more restrained grimdark feel. Unfortunately I don't really agree with this, as the new stuff is all MkIV, which is really not suited to IW at all. Most of my stuff is made out of MkIII and MkII. I would be so pumped if they released new versions of either of those. I do think MkIV is quite a strange choice given it's canonically the rarest mark and only really widely used by a couple of legions. AFAIK most legions largely went from MkIII > MkV at a legion level, having done mini 'beta tests' of MkIV and many not liking it. Edited May 5, 2022 by AxeC BitsHammer and Sarvis 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 So, I wanted to see what the Slaanesh variant would look like so I photoshop him. I like him a lot for me easily the best part of this release by a country mile. If your taking multiples though your going to have a hard time breaking that pose to make them not look the same. Doctor Perils, Silas7, RolandTHTG and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Unless I'm mistaken we didn't see any rumors that we were getting a new demon prince, did we? Now I certainly don't want to assume anything, but it's possible we'll see other unexpected kits. Multipart chaos lord would be swell, though I know based on Clockworkchris's leaks that seems unlikely. It might have slipped by because it's not gaining new rules and the model is a dual release with AoS. The quote from the article Of course, this battlefield behemoth will have a datasheet to match his prowess. We aren’t quite ready to reveal that just yet, but you can bet your bottom credit that he’ll be a match for the best the Dark Millennium has to offer. To me it reads the Daemon Prince will have a couple changes on their sheet, not sure if it's rules or just numbers. My biggest hope is that the Daemon Prince goes to 4++. Then all I got to do is wait 3ish years for another DG codex to get the changes! Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 We'll have to see the kit when it drops but for those wanting to get a similar face to the old Diaz sculpt, we might be able to combine the AoS face with the horns from the 40k kit. To me that looks way more like the old boy! For the missing models, I have a feeling they only showed the most impactful stuff for the stream, mainly for time. If they had showed off every new kit we're supposed to be getting, it probably would have run for an hour and a half, without all the other bits they showed. It gives them plenty more to show off in articles/another stream later on. The way they were talking about the Chaos Reveals and mentioning they would love to show off more definitely confirms more kits for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danodan123 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I really hope that the dark commune has a rule or something that allows it to not take an hq slot, its very crowded there at the moment, maybe if you take a unit of cultists you can take the commune in a free slot maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Unfortunately I don't really agree with this, as the new stuff is all MkIV, which is really not suited to IW at all. Most of my stuff is made out of MkIII and MkII. I would be so pumped if they released new versions of either of those. I do think MkIV is quite a strange choice given it's canonically the rarest mark and only really widely used by a couple of legions. AFAIK most legions largely went from MkIII > MkV at a legion level, having done mini 'beta tests' of MkIV and many not liking it. For all we know we're going to get a full on preview of all the marks coming into plastic, as well as plastic versions of some of the resin vehicles like sicarans. It's also the HH Open day Saturday so there's going to be plenty of news doing the rounds outside of what's on WHTV. Wait and see what's what before despair :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Well I envision my Iron Warriors more in line with what GW is giving us - hordes of cultists, renegade guard, mutants and daemons to swarm the enemy lines, take objectives, while the marines with the big guns at the back pummel the enemy with overwhelming firepower. Then a squad of elite terminators to peform a coupe de grace at the end and this release is amazing for me. I'll happily put 1k pts of my army into the hordes of chaos and only have a few elite squads of CSM as it should be. This just fits my headcanon - traitor legion ships are filled with millions of mortal scum and they are all known to use them in battle. It's hard to hold a sector with only a few hundred marines. As for Deathguard - I do hope the DP and Possessed will get updated profiles via FAQ or Eratta since I'm only buying the possessed for my Deathguard. Afterall if they are putting out a day 1 index for World Eaters, then they can do the same for 1k sons and DG right? ...Right? Sandviper, Iron Father Ferrum, petesamd and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Are the super doctrines part of running mono CSM? Do we know what we lose if we soup with the new dex? I dont plan to, just curious. techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Are the super doctrines part of running mono CSM? Do we know what we lose if we soup with the new dex? I dont plan to, just curious. According to the rumors, yes, soup makes you lose the superdoctrine. But it's probably early to worry about soup. So far, the rumors have not really focused on cultists / cultist command / mutants / other warp spawned things. So I'm not sure we have a really good picture of what a good army list would look like. The other wildcard is we know nothing about Codex: Chaos Daemons - which would be the natural choice for a soup list. There could be synergies that make superdoctrines less appealing by comparison. Like with Chaos Knights. They get the Agents of Chaos keyword, and it appears you can include one in an army without losing superdoctrines. At this point, I think I'd be okay trading the rumored superdoctrines for a Chaos Knight Despoiler (not that I'd have to) or a few War Dogs. More could be done with Gatling Cannons than with exploding 6s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Was it Chris that mentioned new bikes? If so I'm assuming that there are pics in the new codex that display them so even though we didn't see them today they may still exist. The leak that came out back in August (and predicted a majority, if not all of the new models we've gotten since the BT release) was the source of the "new bikers" rumour. And seeing how it has YET to be wrong, I would assume we are getting them at some point Iron Father Ferrum, Doctor Perils and RolandTHTG 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Not too impressed by the releases thus far. Just not what interests me for chaos marines. I like badass evil marines with spikes, not ugly mutated crap, guess thats why I tend to collect Night Lords and Iron Warriors. The cultists to me look pretty dumb. Dont get me wrong, they look well done but I wanted more regimented militia cultists not random guys. Ill probably paint up my elysians in darker colors with maybe some blood markings and just use them as cultists. Maybe I can find more of those black stone fortress cultist dudes that looked like a chaos militia. That was the aesthetic I was hoping new cultists would go. Did they accidently post the Court of Sauron in a 40k release? Possessed look better than the old ones I guess but I am not the market they are looking for with those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Are the super doctrines part of running mono CSM? Do we know what we lose if we soup with the new dex? I dont plan to, just curious. According to the rumors, yes, soup makes you lose the superdoctrine. But it's probably early to worry about soup. So far, the rumors have not really focused on cultists / cultist command / mutants / other warp spawned things. So I'm not sure we have a really good picture of what a good army list would look like. The other wildcard is we know nothing about Codex: Chaos Daemons - which would be the natural choice for a soup list. There could be synergies that make superdoctrines less appealing by comparison. Like with Chaos Knights. They get the Agents of Chaos keyword, and it appears you can include one in an army without losing superdoctrines. At this point, I think I'd be okay trading the rumored superdoctrines for a Chaos Knight Despoiler (not that I'd have to) or a few War Dogs. More could be done with Gatling Cannons than with exploding 6s. My daemons player friend was wondering since his army is currently a forgotten one from 8th yet and he wanted to soup in some of the new CSM stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 There could be a possibility of the other way around - souping in Daemons similar to how Harlequins work, but we'd have to wait for the Chaos Daemons codex to see if that is a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kythnos Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I do quite like the previewed release, to be honest. Lovely models overall. I won't need more cultist and mutants at this point, as I have collected quite a few by doing R&H as a side project for my IW. But the cultist HQs, torments, possessed and DP will be added at some point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarLuther Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) There could be a possibility of the other way around - souping in Daemons similar to how Harlequins work, but we'd have to wait for the Chaos Daemons codex to see if that is a possibility. I hope for that but I guess we have to wait for daemons codex to see it, if it is to happen. Edited May 5, 2022 by SarLuther Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 My daemons player friend was wondering since his army is currently a forgotten one from 8th yet and he wanted to soup in some of the new CSM stuff. The new min / maxing with soup armies will be asking yourself what you get from superdoctrines versus what you would get from an allied detachment. I have a sneaking suspicion 9th edition Bloodletters will be much improved, maybe more points efficient than Possessed. So the superdoctrine issue is on my radar, I've always run them alongside a CSM detachment. If GW is smart, they will provide an exception for Daemons similar to what Chaos Knights have. Let's see what happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farson Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Very happy with the reveals so far, finally feels like we are getting models that match the artwork rather than tactical marines with spikes. BitsHammer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/99/#findComment-5823589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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