New Black Templar "combos"....

[BayOkuz]

GUys, I will join to a tournament at 17.10.2021 and after the supp, all my list goes boom.

 

I need a new list and need it fast.

 

can you help me?

 

Please I am so deeply in need of a List

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Because this is a staggered release, can you not continue to use the old rules until the full release date? Gives you a bit more time to come up with a replacement.

[Medjugorje]

We can help you of course. But you should tell us what units do you like, whats your playstyle and what units do you have in stock... We can build a list together - no problem.

[BayOkuz]

We can help you of course. But you should tell us what units do you like, whats your playstyle and what units do you have in stock... We can build a list together - no problem.

 

I have pretty Much everything minus only one redemptor Dread. But have 2 Conemtors with Volkite. (also dont have any type of land speeder variants. But have İmpulsor 1x painted and 1x in sprue, and 2 repulsors. dont even say rhino and land raiders I got 4x each)

 

I don have Primaris Crusader Squads (like everyone else) so, normal crusaders I think. But apart from that (and I think Helbrecht) I can field everything. I can evne field Helbrecht, considering putting him on a 60mm base and convince my Local Guys.

[Medjugorje]

how many points and what playstyle?

[BayOkuz]

how many points and what playstyle?

Ah forgive me.

 

2000pts. and ON YOUR FACE style.

 

I am an agressive CQC player. I played either Blood Angels or Black Templars. Even Ultramarines as Gulliman CQC Blob so, yes please :D

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I think you may mean 'In' your face?

 

[Palmu]

 

Captain in Gravis armor and WL Iron Resolve W8 T5. With Damage reducing to 1 via Tannhausers Relic - do we can take the Stratagem which gives him +1 to saving throws against dmg1 attacks?

Of course you can. But who want to bring him over Helbrecht? No one need double captains, too.

Well, me for one. I'll damn well make him a Chapter Master too. Can't exactly bring a named character to a story-driven campaign out in the galactic boonies.

 

More on-point, the Scout Biker bomb actually sounds kind of legit. You don't even need a full squad, even 5 dudes seem like the sort of light alpha strike that can put heavy pressure on a flank and murder obsec units without much trouble. The Seal could be especially good for units like this too, just mark a light to medium unit for a guaranteed removal.

Edited October 12, 2021 by Palmu

[BayOkuz]

I think you may mean 'In' your face?

 

 

Hahahah

 

My Chaplains sit ON enemy face :)

[Sword Brother Adelard]

 

 

I think you may mean 'In' your face?

 

Hahahah

 

My Chaplains sit ON enemy face :)

Whatever makes their skull helms grin brother.

[BayOkuz]

how many points and what playstyle?

I wrote everything. If you want I can get in discord, etc.

 

I really in very deeply need your help

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Look and see what jack harpster is using vs siegler’s cronz. The game is on YT today.

[BitsHammer]

Look and see what jack harpster is using vs siegler’s cronz. The game is on YT today.

I looked but it looks like an old list running with some new rules splashed in. Maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't feel like it's leaning into anything "Templars".

[Mordian Glory]

Just had my second game with the new Black Tide, really trying to get a sense of power from the new Primaris blobs.

 

1 combo which I have used a couple of times times now is this:

20 man blob with all Chainswords.

Helbrect aura of strength and chapter master rerolls

Crusader helm for assault doctrine

Grimaldus does +1 attack litany and vow that does auto wounds on 6s

On the charge you get roughly 100x str5 ap - 2 attacks with full rerolls to hit and some auto wounds.

 

And it absolutely blends! Massacred my way through both Dark Eldar and Craftworlds now.

 

Best bit, doesn't even require CP, its just buffs from characters and relics.

[Medjugorje]

Take the Uphold for the honor of the emperor

 

Indomitus Captain with Tennhausers Bones with Iron Resolve and Oathkeeper as WL Traits

Grimaldus ( Divine protection and Fires of devotion)

Chaplain with Ancient Breviary ( +1 to wound for shooting attacks)

 

10 Man squad of Heavy Intercessors with Winner of the Feast STratagem and -1 damage as Relicbearer

2x5 Assault Intercessors

 

3x Impulsors

 

1x Apo with Selfless healer and aurelian shroud who will reanimate the tanking guy on the heavy intercessor.

2x Redemptors

2x2 Company Veterans with Stormshield 

1x5 Bladeguard Veterans. 

(one of them take Seal of Sigismund )

 

 

fill up the Rest like you want it but in short this list should be okay.

 

5+++ and 4++ on the big 10 heavy intercessors. The relicbearer must be healed each round so you can tank them. Remeber the SM Stratagem which gives you +1 save against 1dmg weapons.... 

 

BGV and Assault Intercessors into the impulsors.

Grimaldus walking with the 2 redemtors and the squad of 10 h.intercessors.

The Apo should be able to heal your Captain.

[BayOkuz]

Ok medj, that looks awesome man, I will made the list. Just one question:

 

Champion of the feast steatagem give BS +1 or WS only? I only lost you there.

 

Apart from that, I added 9 vanguard vets, give one relic fist, rest is claw shield.

[Medjugorje]

it gives an additional wound too

 

 

;)

[Palmu]

Take the Uphold for the honor of the emperor

 

Indomitus Captain with Tennhausers Bones with Iron Resolve and Oathkeeper as WL Traits

Grimaldus ( Divine protection and Fires of devotion)

Chaplain with Ancient Breviary ( +1 to wound for shooting attacks)

 

10 Man squad of Heavy Intercessors with Winner of the Feast STratagem and -1 damage as Relicbearer

2x5 Assault Intercessors

 

3x Impulsors

 

1x Apo with Selfless healer and aurelian shroud who will reanimate the tanking guy on the heavy intercessor.

2x Redemptors

2x2 Company Veterans with Stormshield 

1x5 Bladeguard Veterans. 

(one of them take Seal of Sigismund )

 

 

fill up the Rest like you want it but in short this list should be okay.

 

5+++ and 4++ on the big 10 heavy intercessors. The relicbearer must be healed each round so you can tank them. Remeber the SM Stratagem which gives you +1 save against 1dmg weapons.... 

 

BGV and Assault Intercessors into the impulsors.

Grimaldus walking with the 2 redemtors and the squad of 10 h.intercessors.

The Apo should be able to heal your Captain.

An interesting base idea,  I've also found the Immortal Captain to be a very attractive choice on a coolness level, I've always enjoyed playing characters that can tank things instead of having to hide behind friendlies. I've actually a few questions about the choices made in the list as well, I'd like to hear your deeper thoughts behind them.

 

I assume the Captains main role here is to stop enemy characters coming to harass the firebase in their tracks, and that's why the Oathkeeper is there, to maximize the ability to have a higher chance of stopping them? That actually seems like a very interesting strategy. I also assume that the Captain rolls with the Indomitus equipment over the tougher Gravis variant so he can hop in an Impulsor in case it doesn't look like there's anything on the enemy list that's going to threaten the firebase?

 

Grimaldus having Divine Protection is obviously a must, but Fires of Devotion seems less obvious a choice, why this over the other ones? Extra attacks is of course always good, but given that the Heavies aren't that stellar in CC, do none of the other litanies look to be of any use? 

 

Similarly, the smaller Chaplain - I also often use a chaplain like this to support my Intercessors, but I've personally found the 'closest target' restriction on Catechism of Fire miserable to play around though the effect itself is fantastic, and generally default to Recitation of Focus. How do you play around that restriction on a general level? 

 

What weapons do the Heavies carry? Is this a mobile firebase with the Assault variant, an objective-camping blob with the heavies, or the RF weapons for the best of both worlds? 

 

The combination of a Tank Dude and Apothecary to keep bringing him back is absolutely delightful, but doesn't the Feast Strat here feel like overkill? It has an effect when the unit is hit with D2 weapons, does nothing against D3 weapons and again has an effect for D4...But I can't think of many D4 weapons. The wasted +WS doesn't sting here?

 

And what do you think about Multimeltas on the Impulsors? 

[Medjugorje]

Indomitus Captain is just a personal thing. A Gravis has one more wound which is nice but the Indomitus Captain have a 2+ Save and 4+++ against mortal wounds.

 

And I love the Indomitus Captain as a model.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Angel Artifice for 2+ armor save.

[Medjugorje]

Angel Artifice for 2+ armor save.

But this is a relic- and with Tennhausers Bones he already have one (very important)

[a_typical_hero]

Not a "combo" per se, but I feel they might be spicy: Venerable Dreadnoughts with Uphold the Honour.

 

140p gets you 2 non degrading MM shots at BS 2+, along with 4 DCCW attacks at WS 2+. And now they won't get shot off the board as easily thanks to the Vow. Pretty self reliant and cheap.

Edited October 14, 2021 by a_typical_hero

[Medjugorje]

Not a "combo" per se, but I feel they might be spicey: Venerable Dreadnoughts with Uphold the Honour.

 

140p gets you 2 non degrading MM shots at BS 2+, along with 4 DCCW attacks at WS 2+. And now they won't get shot off the board as easily thanks to the Vow. Pretty self reliant and cheap.

I spoke with a friend about compettive lists a few hours ago. He told me to play 3 of them + 3 Redemptors.  Its supercrazy good against drukhari to have 5++ and 6+++ with all of them.

[a_typical_hero]

Actually my thoughts as well. 3+3 and go to town. We can do a proper "March of the Ancients", maybe even better than Iron Hands. I'm curious to see wether the tourny scene is going to use them.

[BayOkuz]

Actually my thoughts as well. 3+3 and go to town. We can do a proper "March of the Ancients", maybe even better than Iron Hands. I'm curious to see wether the tourny scene is going to use them.

I hope they wont. Those kind of broken abuses are the reason I hate competitive branch