Brother Kraskor Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) Almost certainly taking Uphold for army-wide 5++. Revered Repositories, Relics of the Chapter Gravis Marshal (105) - Master-crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle & power sword, Warlord (Iron Resolve), Heir of Sigismund (Master of Arms), Tannhauser's Bones Terminator Chaplain (125) - Combi-melta, Master of Sanctity, Hero of the Chapter (Epitome of Piety), Ancient Breviary, Litany of Divine Protection & Fervent Acclamation 5 Assault Intercessors (115) - Thunder Hammer 5 Assault Intercessors (115) - Thunder Hammer 5 Heavy Intercessors (150) - Executor Bolt Rifles, Executor Heavy Bolter 3 Aggressors (135) - Boltstorm & Fragstorm Redemptor (185) - Macro Plasma, Onslaught Gatling, Storm Bolters, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - Macro Plasma, Onslaught Gatling, Storm Bolters, Rocket Pod 5 Sword Brethren (142) - 4x Sword Brothers with Chainsword & Pistol, 1x Sword Brother with Champion of the Feast, Master-crafted Thunder Hammer, and Sigismund's Seal 10 Veteran Intercessors (240) - Auto Bolt Rifles, Power Fist, Skull of Cacodominus, Light of the Emperor's Grace Repulsor Executioner (345) - Heavy Laser Destroyer Impulsor (150) - Bellicatus Missile Array, Multi-Melta, Storm Bolters 1992pts 7CP remaining Battle Plan Centre: Gravis Marshal, Veteran Intercessors, Redemptors, Chaplain Marshal is a very tough nut to crack - T5, 8W, native 6+++, always fights first, and treats all weapons as Damage 1. Crucial re-rolls for the Redemptor Plasma. The Intercessors will have 5+++ (Divine Protection), and will get to shoot plenty of dakka before engaging in combat when they will have plenty of attacks, which Chaplain will buff to auto-wound on hit rolls of 6 (Fervent Acclamation granting Suffer Not). Redemptors have lots of nasty dakka and combat capability also. And the whole thrust will re-roll 1s to hit and wound via Dreadnought strat. Plenty of anti-psyker defence in this central thrust. Chaplain can Deny, and does so with +1. Veteran Intercessors have a -2 to enemy Psychic test bubble within 12" and causes Perils on any double (Skull, Light of Grace) and for one turn can cause -3 to Psychic tests within 12! Backline: Heavy Intercessors Not too much to say, just that these will be tougher to shift with a 5++. Independent: Assault Intercessors Two bully units that can seize objectives. Thunder Hammer diversifies their threat. Fire & Forget: Sword Brethren in Impulsor The Impulsor is a fairly capable weapons platform now in its own right, with the Bellicatos Missiles, Multi Melta, and Storm Bolters. Plus it's fast. The Sword Brethren will nominate the biggest, nastiest enemy threat for the Seal of Sigismund (re-rolls to hit and wound in combat) and make full steam for it. I suspect this will get enemy attention but the unit itself is not that expensive! And they can benefit from cover on the way in as they ignore the passion. Four Sword Brothers with chainswords for maximising attacks, one Sword Brother is a Champion of the Feast with master-crafted Hammer for capable anti-armour. Carnifex: Executioner carrying Aggressors A big, scary distraction carnifex in the form of a Repulsor Executioner carrying Aggressors. Will operate independently and again a balanced array of weapons/tools. Edited October 16, 2021 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 Revised list: Gravis Marshal (105) - WL, Sword of Judgement, Imperium's Sword, Master of Arms Primaris Bike Chaplain (140) - Master of Sanctity, Tannhauser's Bones, Wise Orator, Litany of Divine Protection & Fires of Devotion 5 Intercessors (110) - Auto Bolt Rifles, Power Fist 5 Intercessors (110) - Auto Bolt Rifles, Power Fist 10 Assault Intercessors (210) - Thunder Hammer Redemptor (185) - Plasma, OGC, SBs, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - Plasma, OGC, SBs, Rocket Pod 5 Sword Brethren (147) - 1x SB Champion of the Feast & Master-crafted Thunder Hammer, 1x SB Lightning Claws & Bones of Morded, 3x SBs Power Sword 5 Assault Terminators (215) - TH & SS 3 Aggressors (135) - Boltstorm & Fragstorm Repulsor Executioner (345) - Laser Destroyer Impulsor (110) 1997pts, 7CP left Changes: - Marshal changed from tank to beatstick - Chaplain much more mobile, and his now a tank, can zip over to wherever the Termies deep-strike or Impulsor unloads SB for re-rolls to hit - Heavy Intercessors and Veteran Intercessors dropped for a cheaper frontal assault wave of Assault Intercessors (Obsec, fight twice) - Hammernators added - Sword Brethren better tooled Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5755835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Nex Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Looks nice, templars steem like a solid mech option now. Maybe change the thunderhammer on the assault intercessor sarge to the fist of balthus, you get an extra AP and no to hit penalty. Also I think the assault sarge is the best option for champion of the feast (5 attacks on the charge with ws2+ with the relic power fist, fighting twice, let's go!). I like the repulsor, however, changing it to 2 impulsors with Multi meltas seems more effective, and change the captain to the relic shield captain with sword of judgement and oathkeeper,keeping your guys relatively safe. Just some thoughts. But I would like to know how it plays what you have! Brother Kraskor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5761419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 Good thinking re: fight twice, of course! Very sensible. And good idea on relic shield captain. In fact all good ideas thank you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5761636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 Rethinking to make a better list for objectives. Primaris Marshal (95) - Warlord, Heir of Sigismund (Paragon of Fury, Master of Arms), Sword of Judgement & Plasma Pistol Primaris Castellan (80) - Hero of the Chapter (Sword of the Imperium), Teeth of Terra & Auto-Plasma Primaris Bike Chaplain (140) - Hero of the Chapter (Rites of War) Master of Sanctity (Divine Protection & Fires of Devotion), Ancient Breviary 5 Incursors (105) 5 Incursors (105) 5 Intercessors (120) ABRs, Fist of Balthus 5 Intercessors (110) ABRs, Power Fist Judiciar (85) Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, Rocket Pod, SBs Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, Rocket Pod, SBs 5 Sword Brethren (147) - 1 SB is Champion of the Feast w/ Master-Crafted Lightning Claws & Bones of Mordred, 1 SB w/ Thunder Hammer, 3 SBs w/ Power Swords 3 Outriders (165) - Holy Orb 3 Eradicators (145) - Multi-Melta 5 Hellblasters (165) - Heavy Plasma 5 Hellblasters (165) - Heavy Plasma 1997pts, 99PL 5CP remaining Incursors are able to grab objectives early. Intercessors hold backfield. Central ranged castle consisting of Hellblasters, Eradicators, and Redemptors backed up by Marshal & Castellan for juicy re-rolls. Marshal and Castellan are both beatsticks in their own right and able to fend off assaults. Sword Brethren and Judiciar move forward to be a problem, Chaplain can zip over for re-rolls and extra attack (and Obsec!). Outriders can zip onto objective w/ Chaplain (Rites of War), and deploy Holy Orb wherever needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5762971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Apologize if come off as rude: SBro should with thag setup- Mordred TwinClaws Feasty Hammer Judgement Sword 2x Sword Beyond that: Rites is not needed. ObSec Strat exists. Its depressing but heavy plasma ks worth than Assault Plasma (albeit have to overcharge). Through personally drop 1 squad. Take 2 Heavy Varianrs Erads w/ MMelta. They do 11-12 damage even if they move. Third squad can keep /shrug Don’t like outriders, 3 man squad sad vs anti tank and one model die = dead char. Through I say this and run generic sm bikers (NB if you have bikers recommend fervant because cruise missileing is fun) SBros should outflank or be very sad as every gun will target them. Redemptors solid. I really don’t like Justicar. You an Orb. I’d rather get 3 more SBros. Incursors are fine. Intercessors well. Okay you have your castle. Now a few things. Firstborn saders w/ Neo & GravCannon more durable and shoot better. Random aside. Now then. I’d move Judgement to SBros. Castle 2 Redemptors Not Chappy Characters Hellies Intercessors. HeavyHellies are….mediocre and not best AT. 165 for av 4 (6 if overcharging) damage. Its not the worse. Just not good. For 5 points more tou can ger 3 man fusil infil Elims similar output but can also meme with instigators. But other thing for similar points 206 you can appreciably similar output to a your intercessor squads from crusaders. And actually afford a couple more dudes if you wanted too. I hope I didn’t come off too harshly Brother Kraskor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5763141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) Not harsh/rude at all it's good stuff thank you! I'll have a rejig. Edit: Rejig complete, keen to hear your thoughts: (5++ vow) Primaris Marshal (95) - Warlord, Heir of Sigismund (Master of Arms, Paragon of Fury), Perdition's Edge & Plasma Pistol Primaris Castellan (80) - Hero of the Chapter (Sword of the Imperium), Teeth of Terra & Auto-Plasma Primaris Chaplain on Bike (140) - Master of Sanctity (Divine Protection, Fires of Devotion) Ancient Breviary 5 Incursors (105) 5 Incursors (105) 5 Incursors (105) 2 Company Veterans (40) - Boltguns Invictor Warsuit (160) - Incendium Cannon Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, Rocket Pod, SBs Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, Rocket Pod, SBs 5 Sword Brethren (147) - 1 SB Lightning Claws & Bones of Mordred, 1 SB Thunder Hammer & Champion of the Feast, 1 SB Sword of Judgement, 2 SB Power Swords 3 Eradicators (155) - Heavy Melta Rifles, 1 Multi-Melta 10 Hellblasters (330) - Assault Plasma 5 Hellblasters (165) - Assault Plasma 1997pts, 6CP remaining Castle is now higher damage - 3x squads of 5 Hellies (combat squadding the 10-man), Heavy Eradicators, and 2x Redemptors. Sword Brethren now tooled better. More Incursors and Invictor for aggressive early doors. 2 Company Vets filled the points and can perform actions. Edited November 11, 2021 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5763259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Very first tbing I’d drop. Is drop Autoplasma to give SShields to CVets. Are Erads outflanking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5763324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 Oh good idea, brings it to 2000pts on the nose and makes them much tougher. Erads may outflank or may just move up with the castle for re-rolls to hit and wound. Guess matchup depending. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5763340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 Rethinking a bit. Making it more Templary. Full-throttle assault combined with key objective holders: High Marshal Helbrecht (160) - Warlord Chaplain Grimaldus (140) - Fervent Acclamation, Fires of Devotion Primaris Lieutenant (75) - Hero of the Chapter (The Imperium's Sword), Teeth of Terra Primaris Crusaders (188) - 1x SB w/ Power Sword, 4x Initiates w/ ABR, 5x Neophytes w/ Bolt Carbines Primaris Crusaders (188) - 1x SB w/ Power Sword, 4x Initiates w/ ABR, 5x Neophytes w/ Bolt Carbines Primaris Crusaders (188) - 1x SB w/ Power Sword, 4x Initiates w/ ABR, 5x Neophytes w/ Bolt Carbines 10 Sword Brethren (232) - 2x SB w/ Twin Lightning Claws, 8x SB w/ Chainswords & Pistols Judiciar (85) - Crusader's Helm Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod 5 Relic Terminators (180) - 1x SB Champion of the Feast w/ Master-Crafted Chainfist & Volkite Charger, 4x Terminators w/ Lightning Claws and Combi-bolters 1991pts 8CP Scheme of Maneuver The three Crusader squads hold objectives and lay down anti-infantry fire. All big and tough with Obsec. The Terminators are troubleshooters. Can fit anywhere in the plan and operate fairly independently thanks to native re-rolling wounds on the Termies. And the SB is pretty capable. The headline is the huge central thrust. 10 Sword Brethren re-rolling all hits, 1s to wound, and being buffed to oblivion. Judiciar ensures Assault Doctrine for them as I will hold Tactical to turn 3 for the bolters, and ensures all the characters & SB can have a go before any opponents. Three Redemptors enjoy 5++/6+++ and re-rolls of 1 to hit and wound with their shooting, any enemy armour that survives this will face their Redemptor Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5769170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Can't help but tinker with this further. I think Termies are inefficient because of their innate Invul, and Sword Brethren are nice but big bases and their cost mean I think actually regular Crusaders are a better recipient of Helbrecht buff. High Marshal Helbrecht (160) - Warlord Chaplain Grimaldus (140) - Litany of Divine Protection, Fires of Devotion Primaris Lieutenant (80) - Teeth of Terra, Auto-Plasma, Hero of the Chapter (Imperium's Sword) 10 Primaris Crusaders (183) - SB with Sword of Judgement, 5x Initiates with Chainswords, 4x Neophytes with Chainsowrds 10 Primaris Crusaders (188) - SB with Power Axe, 5x Initiates with ABRs, 4x Neophytes with Bolt Carbines 10 Primaris Crusaders (188) - SB with Power Axe, 5x Initiates with ABRs, 4x Neophytes with Bolt Carbines Redemptor (185) - Macro Plasma, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - Macro Plasma, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - Macro Plasma, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod 5 Assault Centurions (390) - Sergeant is Champion of the Feast with Icon of Heinmann, all with Hurricane Bolters and Meltaguns Primaris Apothecary (115) - Chief Apothecary, Hero of the Chapter (Selfless Healer) 1999pts, 100PL, 8CP remaining Two shooty Crusader squads hold objectives. Choppy Crusader squad advances with the three HQs and three Redemptors in support, nasty big blob of goodness. Centurions and Apothecary can form a second thrust for a pincer movement, very durable thanks to the Sergeant having 5 Wounds and tanking AP-1 and AP-2 as AP0 with his 2+ save. And if he dies, the Apothecary can get him back up. If Grimaldus loses his 6+++ minion then the Apothecary can come across as needed to revive/provide the 6+++ himself. librisrouge 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5771714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 Revising the above. Five Centurions too many eggs in one basket. Reduce Centurions to three, saving 150pts. This is spent on a Whirlwind with vengeance launcher (135) and Holy Orb for the choppy crusaders (15). This means I can turn off overwatch and cause a big gribbly to fight last. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5773328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) Centurions - cool, but no Core, just not good enough I don't think. Changing the list (yet again!): High Marshal Helbrecht (160) - Warlord Chaplain Grimaldus (140) - Divine Protection, Fires of Devotion Primaris Lieutenant (75) - Teeth of Terra, Hero of the Chapter (Imperium's Sword) 5 Intercessors (100) - ABRs 5 Assault Intercessors (95) 10 Primaris Crusaders (183) - SB Feast Champion with Sword of Judgement, 5x Initiates with Chainswords, 4x Neophytes with Chainswords Primaris Apothecary (115) - Chief Apothecary, Hero of the Chapter (Selfless Healer) 10 Sword Brethren (260) - Light of the Emperor's Grace, 10x with Power Swords Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, Rocket Pod, SBs Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, Rocket Pod, SBs Redemptor (185) - MacroPlasma, OCG, Rocket Pod, SBs 5 Inceptors (315) - Icon of Heinmann, Plasma Exterminators 1998pts, 8CP Very strong firebase with 3 Redemptors and 5 Inceptors, re-rolling 1s to hit and wound. All with 6+++. Sword Brethren at S6, durable with 5+++, plenty of attacks. At the appropriate point, the SBs and Helbrecht can charge in and leave behind Grimaldus, the Inceptors, and Dreads. One of the Dreads can pop the strat to ensure re-rolling 1s to hit so fewer Overcharge mishaps. Edited December 22, 2021 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5775035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) This time I've got it. Helbrecht (160) Grimaldus (140) - Warlord, Divine Protection & Fervent Acclamation Emperor's Champion (100) 5 Intercessors (110) - Power Fist 5 Assault Intercessors (105) - Power Fist 20 Primaris Crusaders (416) - SB has Skull of Cacodominus & Holy Orb, 4x Power Fists, 7 Initiates & 8 Neos with Chainswords Redemptor (185) - MacroPlas, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - MacroPlas, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod Redemptor (185) - MacroPlas, OCG, SBs, Rocket Pod 5 Vanguard Veterans (159) - 4x Claw and Shield (1 has Icon of Heinmann), 1x SB Feast Champion with TH&SS 5 Devastators (185) - 4x Multi-Melta, Combi-Melta, Cherub Drop Pod (70) 2000pts, 10CP remaining VanVets and Devastators use Drop Pod for early threat. Intercessors hold objectives. Crusader blob advances with characters and Dreads. Grimaldus Warlord so I have very robust anti-psyker (plus the Skull). Fervent Acclamation also allows more flexibility with Vow choice. Edited December 31, 2021 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5778136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) My dreads have been doing absolute work so thinking of capitalising on that crucial 5++/6+++: Terminator Marshal (120) - Warlord, Heir of Sigismund (Iron Resolve, Oathkeeper), TH&SS, Tannhauser's Bones Grimaldus (140) - Divine Protection, Fervent Acclamation Emperor's Champion (100) 5 Assault Intercessors (95) 5 Assault Intercessors (95) 10 Primaris Crusaders (183) - 1x SB Power Sword, 5x Initiates & 4x Neophytes Chainswords Redemptor (185) - Plasma, OCG, Rocket, SBs Redemptor (185) - Plasma, OCG, Rocket, SBs Redemptor (185) - Plasma, OCG, Rocket, SBs 10 Assault Terminators (430) - Feast Champion, all TH&SS, Light of the Emperor's Grace 3 Eradicators (135) 3 Eradicators (135) 1998pts, 10CP Edited January 14, 2022 by Brother Kraskor librisrouge 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372021-new-bt-2k-balanced/#findComment-5783894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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