sword brothers are not bad BUT...

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

How are you losing attacks ? They are both base 3 attacks per model.

[SkimaskMohawk]

How are you losing attacks ? They are both base 3 attacks per model.

I meant in comparison with chainswords. You get 5 brethren with chainswords for 110 points with 25 attacks on first round; 4 brethren with swords is 100 with 16 attacks on first round.

 

The power swords stack up poorly to 3 bgv for 105, with 13 damage 2 attacks and more defensive stats.

[Tiger9gamer]

Power swords are nothing to sneeze at imo .

oh yea, especially with the +1 Strength. With suffer not the unclean or gene wrought might, it is basically a mortal wound on a 6 when assault doctrine is up, especially against tougher enemies like Plague marines or Orks. plus you do not have to worry about enemies that subtract 1 from damage with regular swords.

 

It is cutting into BGV territory a bit, but I like the idea of exploding sixes with these weapons.

[Khornestar]

I mostly still think chainswords are where it’s at, but what I did not account for was the cost of 3 points per, instead of the typical 5. That does make kitting the full unit much more feasible.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I prefer Crusaders and assault Ints for chainswords.

[Medjugorje]

 

How are you losing attacks ? They are both base 3 attacks per model.

I meant in comparison with chainswords. You get 5 brethren with chainswords for 110 points with 25 attacks on first round; 4 brethren with swords is 100 with 16 attacks on first round.

 

The power swords stack up poorly to 3 bgv for 105, with 13 damage 2 attacks and more defensive stats.

 

dont forget that the quality of power sword attacks is way higher with chainswords... the more attacks a unit already have the lesser is the impact of +1 attack for its weapon. 

 

Lightning claws would be the way to go but its just possivle to field 2 in a 10 man squad so PS are  just one attack less by just 3 points increasing S and ap by 1/2. 

 

@Tiger9gamer... but this litany is so much more worth it on a big crusadersquad / Lightning claw terminator/ vanguards which are durable enough to stay close to a chaplain and have way more attacks.. 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Medjugorje

[Tokugawa]

Power sword is such a weapon, if it is included in default wargear of an unit, ok I will take it. If it is an option which need to pay points for it, very few factions in the game will consider it. For marine, a single lightning claw(when this option exists) is obviously better.

 

The output of a power-sword wielded space marine model, is similar to 1 genestealer(new profile). And the latter is far more faster, has special deployment, 4++. Only 1w but 14pts.

 

If this is not familiar to you, then we could look at some marine example: a jetpack vanguard model, with 1 claw,1 chainsword, no shield, is 25pts. Is this the "most optimal" option of vanvet?

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Only GSC stealer has 4++.

 

So let’s take a five man squad with heavy bolt pistols and power swords for an example — pls correct me if I should make any mistakes. First round of combat is 20 attacks. This should generate three extra attacks using the SB strat… so roughly 16 hits. You could also pop Gene-wrought Might versus T6 and above. Versus T4 that’s roughly 11 wounds at AP3/4. Versus Orks it’s 8 wounds… not too shabby.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Black Blow Fly

[Medjugorje]

normally Genestealer are that fast that they arrive melee... then you have to shoot them with each bolter you have and dont try to charge them. But if... then like we said before there are troops 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

SB in the HAUS ……

 

https://youtu.be/FMFZnt-60Fk

[Medjugorje]

 but nevertheless... I love to see each BR.

funny note... my last models i build used to be his list except BGV and assault Intercessors.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Medjugorje

[SkimaskMohawk]

Lol honestly can't stand ash. I knew him back when he was a GW regional manager and he always came off as thinking speaking loudly translated to knowledge and authority. Just a lot of shallow takes that get projected out there.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

The Custodes player cheated. That said I do find Ashe amazing. Edited February 11, 2022 by Black Blow Fly

[Medjugorje]

The Custodes player cheated. That said I do find Ashe amazing.

 

the 6" HI was not correct. ITs just a 3" HI and a 6" HI for units which already can make normal HI

[Metic]

The new sword bro models are gorgeous, but I'd probably never run the unit. But I still want to bring them. So they are replacing the generic sword bro from the Primaris crusader squad box and the sargents for my assault int squads. I won't make the same mistake of not painting the sword bro this time around like I did with the old metal models because they weren't good as a unit.

Edited February 11, 2022 by Metic