Scouring Era Black Templars

[Tiger9gamer]

So I love the horus heresy setting, but can only really afford one space marine army. I got most of my black templars wearing Mark III, Mark IV or mark VI pattern armor with only a few mark 7's... along with the all black color scheme. How acceptable is it to have a space marine army from the scouring, after the chapter split? Idea is to have this force represent the time from the codex crisis to the first black crusade, use Imperial Fist rules, and be a largely armored force.

Thoughts?

[WrathOfTheLion]

I think it'd be best to talk to the players in your area, or any friends or acquaintances that you'd be playing with to get their opinion on the matter. So the summary would be, to play with your friends, do whatever is in the scope of what they are fine with. But it might be a bit off for a narrative event that's supposed to represent something in the Heresy. Maybe incorporating a bit of yellow/fist iconography could go a long way if you're open to that would set them back into looking like the Legion. Incorporating Sigismund into the army would go a long way as well.

 

The main thing really I think though is to ensure the equipment is valid or close to it, a checklist of things the other player has to try to alter because it's not really a 30k loadout would be annoying. Out of everything here, I think is really going to be what people care/don't care about at the end of the day.

Edited February 25, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[Slave to Darkness]

^^ This. Slap a few yellow bits in there to make it look like they are still part of the Legion, quite a few people did that back before GW did the HH proper. Easiest one to do I saw was the Cross on one shoulder and the Fist on the chapter badge shoulder. Dude just said its Sigismunds company or whatever so they took the black. 

 

As long as weapon loadouts are the same or any small variations are explained to me pre game then Id be totally cool with it. Hell I encourage you to do it, always been tempted but a lot of my old gaming group had Fists or Templars so I didnt bother. If you dont want to add or change many units just do some new HQ's in the black and yellow, and now I have that god awful hip hop song in my head... 

 

Hope you share plenty of images whatever you do. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Yeah, minor variations wouldn't really be a problem, but you'll probably want to avoid trying to bring in things like Razorbacks and Land Raider Crusaders, or explaining why lightning claw vanguard veterans are really destroyers or what have you.

 

There'll be some units you have to dedicate to either side of that, that won't carry over between them.

 

Might mean in some cases, you need to pick up an extra box of MK III or something to round out some squads, as the sergeant for say a heavy support has the heavy weapon, when a devastator does not. Other thing to note, is that a heavy support squad has the same loadout across the squad, so ensuring that all that's close will help as well.

Edited February 25, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[sarabando]

id have no problem at all, but then again my first 30k army was a scouring white scars force. I also want to do a Crimson Fists army :D i just find 30k a better pallet to work from than 40K. 

[Brother Tyler]

So I love the horus heresy setting, but can only really afford one space marine army. I got most of my black templars wearing Mark III, Mark IV or mark VI pattern armor with only a few mark 7's... along with the all black color scheme. How acceptable is it to have a space marine army from the scouring, after the chapter split? Idea is to have this force represent the time from the codex crisis to the first black crusade, use Imperial Fist rules, and be a largely armored force.

 

Thoughts?

I'm doing something quite like this, but with an infantry-centric force.

[Tiger9gamer]

Yeah, minor variations wouldn't really be a problem, but you'll probably want to avoid trying to bring in things like Razorbacks and Land Raider Crusaders, or explaining why lightning claw vanguard veterans are really destroyers or what have you.

 

There'll be some units you have to dedicate to either side of that, that won't carry over between them.

 

Might mean in some cases, you need to pick up an extra box of MK III or something to round out some squads, as the sergeant for say a heavy support has the heavy weapon, when a devastator does not. Other thing to note, is that a heavy support squad has the same loadout across the squad, so ensuring that all that's close will help as well.

yea, I wouldnt have the LRCs or my (really cool) vanguard vets with those load outs. I would probably bring legion assault squads or legion veteran squads, for my modern day crusader squad proxies at the most. I have a lot of modern rhinos but I don't imagine bringing anything like those two vehicles to 30k, mostly because they just wouldn't fit. I do want to stick to the era as close as possible, and it is as close to the HH as I can really get with black templars. I would need to buy actual Templar bretheren, but I was going to do it anyways.

 

good thoughts on the yellows too! I will incorporate that on some units (not the guys I have painted sadly) and include some iconography, but I do get the idea. Aside from a few variations, I have a general idea of what I could do for these guys as it stands now.

 

Edit: it's been a while since I picked up any HH books. I have the old red books still, are those good? Also, if I run legion vet squads, how easy would it be to just not use the bolt guns since I only have pistols and chainswords modeled? would it be acceptable? or should I just use legion tactical / assault squads?

Edited February 25, 2022 by Tiger9gamer

[WrathOfTheLion]

Modern rhinos are fine, the Mars pattern rhino works totally fine in 30k. What I've done is take some extra phobos boltguns from the MK III kit, cut the hand off, and drill pin holes into the side, then you can easily make a twin-linked boltgun by sticking it on I think the piece that you would normally stick a hunter-killer missile on.

 

Easy to do if you left those top piece unglued, could just get an extra thing like that, or just use the storm bolter if there.

 

The red books should be fine, my guess is those will be replaced soon, as they've been taken down from FW and the new edition is almost certainly incoming.

[Tiger9gamer]

Modern rhinos are fine, the Mars pattern rhino works totally fine in 30k. What I've done is take some extra phobos boltguns from the MK III kit, cut the hand off, and drill pin holes into the side, then you can easily make a twin-linked boltgun by sticking it on I think the piece that you would normally stick a hunter-killer missile on.

 

 

Easy to do if you left those top piece unglued, could just get an extra thing like that, or just use the storm bolter if there.

 

The red books should be fine, my guess is those will be replaced soon, as they've been taken down from FW and the new edition is almost certainly incoming.

unfortunately I already spent all my bits for storm bolters. Something to consider honestly, but for now I am stuck with 40k bolters. 

 

So what should I focus on more in keeping with the theme of what I got? Crusader squads as tactical squads or legion vets? they are only armed with bolter and chainswords aside from a few power weapons I got, and I can make an argument for both honestly. Tactical squads because well, they ARE basic bitch marines with chainswords, and why complicate things. I could use them as vets though, if only because they will help fill out points... but they only have chainswords and bolt pistols without bolters. I could just play them without bolters even if they got it with wargear though!

[WrathOfTheLion]

 

Modern rhinos are fine, the Mars pattern rhino works totally fine in 30k. What I've done is take some extra phobos boltguns from the MK III kit, cut the hand off, and drill pin holes into the side, then you can easily make a twin-linked boltgun by sticking it on I think the piece that you would normally stick a hunter-killer missile on.

 

 

Easy to do if you left those top piece unglued, could just get an extra thing like that, or just use the storm bolter if there.

 

The red books should be fine, my guess is those will be replaced soon, as they've been taken down from FW and the new edition is almost certainly incoming.

unfortunately I already spent all my bits for storm bolters. Something to consider honestly, but for now I am stuck with 40k bolters. 

 

So what should I focus on more in keeping with the theme of what I got? Crusader squads as tactical squads or legion vets? they are only armed with bolter and chainswords aside from a few power weapons I got, and I can make an argument for both honestly. Tactical squads because well, they ARE basic bitch marines with chainswords, and why complicate things. I could use them as vets though, if only because they will help fill out points... but they only have chainswords and bolt pistols without bolters. I could just play them without bolters even if they got it with wargear though!

 

I'd look at doing them as vets and taking the Pride of the Legion rite of war so that they count as your compulsory troops, along with Terminator squads.

 

At least in the most recent datasheet, tactical marines can also take bolters and chainswords. They can either buy the extra CCW, or replace the bolter with a CCW. Veterans should be able to take combi weapons and power weapons.

Edited February 26, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[Tiger9gamer]

 

 

Modern rhinos are fine, the Mars pattern rhino works totally fine in 30k. What I've done is take some extra phobos boltguns from the MK III kit, cut the hand off, and drill pin holes into the side, then you can easily make a twin-linked boltgun by sticking it on I think the piece that you would normally stick a hunter-killer missile on.

 

 

Easy to do if you left those top piece unglued, could just get an extra thing like that, or just use the storm bolter if there.

 

The red books should be fine, my guess is those will be replaced soon, as they've been taken down from FW and the new edition is almost certainly incoming.

unfortunately I already spent all my bits for storm bolters. Something to consider honestly, but for now I am stuck with 40k bolters. 

 

So what should I focus on more in keeping with the theme of what I got? Crusader squads as tactical squads or legion vets? they are only armed with bolter and chainswords aside from a few power weapons I got, and I can make an argument for both honestly. Tactical squads because well, they ARE basic bitch marines with chainswords, and why complicate things. I could use them as vets though, if only because they will help fill out points... but they only have chainswords and bolt pistols without bolters. I could just play them without bolters even if they got it with wargear though!

 

I'd look at doing them as vets and taking the Pride of the Legion rite of war so that they count as your compulsory troops, along with Terminator squads.

 

yea, Probably will do that. Going to try and work up a list for it, but it is going to be uhh... rough. havn't even glanced at it for 5 years. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

It may all be ready to change too... All the army list books are sold out online, and there's rumors of 2E being announced very soon, so you may just do pen and paper planning for now.

[Tiger9gamer]

It may all be ready to change too... All the army list books are sold out online, and there's rumors of 2E being announced very soon, so you may just do pen and paper planning for now.

honestly it may be about time for that... I got those books before I entered college 8 years ago. Sad to say but there are some things that 9th introduced that I feel makes a more fun game, like being able to charge out of rhinos, or giving units a move range and still be able to shoot, like a vindicator moving 10". I do miss my Pie plates though.