Traitoris Lances

[Valkyrion]

Am I understanding this properly;

 

1000 point incursion game;

 

I have to spend 3 or 6 Command Points for a Super Heavy Detachment

If I include only War Dogs, then I can only include up to 5 (around 800 points) and I get 3 Command Points back, so I start the Incursion game with 6 CP, but 200 points down on my opponent.

 

If I include a big knight at ~450 points, then I can include about 3 war dogs, but the inclusion of the big knight means my detachment costs me 6 CP, refunding 3, so I start the game with only 3 CP.  

 

Am I right?

[_Valten_]

You can buy wardogs in units so you could have 6 wardogs in 1k and keep all of your CP.

 

But yeah if you have a titanic you’ll also need at least 3 wardogs to get 3CP back.

Edited May 18, 2022 by _Valten_

[Valkyrion]

You can buy wardogs in units so you could have 6 wardogs in 1k and keep all of your CP.

I'm not sure I can. 

I can have 3-5 war dog models (not units) and get my CP back, but if I want to run 6 I also need a Titanic unit. 

 

Unless I'm really misunderstanding or missing something obvious, which is entirely possible!

 

A link to the wording;

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/chaos-knights-Detachment-abilities.png

 

I don't know how I can field a 6CP, 1000 point Incursion force. 

[Karhedron]

A Superheavy detachment costs 6 CPs. The following discounts are available.

 

1-2 Abhorrent Class - 3 CPs refunded

3-5 Wardogs - 3 CPs refunded

3+ Abhorrent Class - 6 CPs refunded

1+ Titanic AND 6+ Wardogs - 6 CPs refunded

 

GW have worded this in a really convoluted way but it is basically exactly the same structed as Imperial lances.

 

Having 6 Wardogs is not enough to get the full CP refund, you need a Titanic unit in there as well. Basically there is no way to get the full 6CPs refunded at 1000 points, you will have to settle for 3CPs.

Edited May 18, 2022 by Karhedron

[Valkyrion]

I hate to belabour this point, and I appreciate the answer, but again, are you sure?

 

Option 1:

A super heavy detachment costs 3 CP if there are no Titanic units.

I could have 5 war dogs, each one filling up it's own LoW slot, (and each able to get a Favour) and get my 3 CP refunded, for a total of 6 in an incursion game.

 

Option 2:

A super heavy detachment costs 6CP if there are titanic units.

I could have 1 Desecrator and 3 Wardogs and get 3 CP refunded for a total of 3 in an incursion game. 

 

No?

[Karhedron]

Sorry, you are correct that the SHD only costs 3CPs if you don't take Titanic units.

 

So yes, 5 Wardogs and you can start with 6CPs in an Incursion game.

[_Valten_]

I suppose taking knights at 1k would be deemed as OP if you also had the full 6 CP.

 

Depends on how you want to play it, but for 1k you can take an Abominant (or Desolator with dark master), 2 Karnivores and 2 Stalkers. Costs the same in CP as taking 6 wardogs and doesn’t leave you 200 points short.

Edited May 18, 2022 by _Valten_