20 man Primaris Crusader Squads?

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Anybody have experience ruining a 20 man squad? I wanna go full choppy with four powerfists. How do you buff them?

Edited July 20, 2022 by Brother Adelard

[Tokugawa]

Morale and blast weapons will be issue.

Especially when 2cp insane courage is much less affordable. After one use of 2cp transhuman you may find yourself at 0cp.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

They can be super buffed.

[Medjugorje]

fully depends on your meta. But If this is your main part of the army then each litany makes sense:

5+++

change the vow litany

ignoring psychic affections

+1 attack

6s = MW

 

they are all good, if you take more units then Grimaldus is a must take imo.

[Blade of Sigismund]

Actually agree with Tok

I ran 20 man for a long time, but have slowly moved over to 3x 10

They can be buffed, but it's impossible to hide them, and 5+++ only goes so far. They quickly become a CP sink.

If you do run them, I liked 5+++ and mortals on 6s.

[Marshal Mittens]

I'm not a competitive player, but I like several large primaris crusader squads with fists. 3 or 4 is pretty strong against a lot of stuff. Lots of good buffs to use on big groups. I support mine with Eradicators and Supressors. Chaplain is great support for 5+++. 

[Emperor Ming]

Power fists or pyroflamers

Or if they are squads of ten, I guess you could do one of each

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Currently I run two 10 man squads - one choppy with two powerfists and one shooty with two pyre blasters.

[Blade of Sigismund]

1 hour ago, Emperor Ming said:

Power fists or pyroflamers

Or if they are squads of ten, I guess you could do one of each

I do 2x pyreblaster and pyre pistol. It's nice to have them as an overwatch deterrent,  and if you do AAC they can be ap2 turns 2-3.

That,and they hit at 15" instead of having to be in cc. Makes it far easier to mass on a target.

 

[Medjugorje]

I have a game tommorow where i field 5x10 against Eldar+Harlequin

[Blade of Sigismund]

28 minutes ago, Medjugorje said:

I have a game tommorow where i field 5x10 against Eldar+Harlequin

Sweet, let us know how it goes.

Doing flamer or punchy version? If both, it might be a good way to compare.

[Tokugawa]

58 minutes ago, Medjugorje said:

I have a game tommorow where i field 5x10 against Eldar+Harlequin

 Be careful about Karandras. With fate dices it could move very fast to kill/trade your key characters.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I’m taking Grim so I won’t t have that problem. 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Black Blow Fly

[Medjugorje]

Playing Eldar myself - I think Karandras is overrated. At least all phoenix models are not OP (except the birdman^^)

[SirJyo]

I find the bigger the squad size, the more effective certain stratagems are. Auspex scan with 20, absurd. Vicious reposte can reach the 6mw mark.

Better yet, litany of divine protection on a 20 man squad will usually demoralize my opponent, as they feel they can't shift them at all.

20 man's are a huge points sink, expect your army list to revolve around them to some extent. I also wouldn't recommend more than one.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Four Marines to go !