New Land Raider Proteus

[Canadian_F_H]

So.  I've held off while trying to see if anybody else has noticed it and mentioned it.  But I am 99% certain that the new Land Raider Proteus (henceforth abreviated LRPr vs LRPh for the Phobos)

So.  I haven't seen any discussion about the fact that there is a picture of it in the Liber Hereticus.

In the Emperor's Children model showcase at the end of their Legion rules/units section.

This doesn't look like any previous LRPr or other varients of LR.  The hull details also dont match the new LR Spartan kit which many have suggested would be a dual kit with the LRPr.  I do believe there is at least 1 spru that will be common to both kits, the one that makes the front and back ends of the sides of the Spartan should make the front and back ends of the LRPr.

 

Anyways, I am surprised nobody has pointed this out. Or at least that I've had a hard time finding such discussion.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Canadian_F_H

[Valkyrion]

Yep, it's plastic, but unconfirmed/not previewed - the 'mouth'? for want of a better word on the above is different to the resin one.

I don't have the book handy, but I think there's a MKVI Night Lords terror marine with a head I don't recognise, too.

[Tyriks]

There's also a join on the turret lascannon barrels that isn't there on the resin.

[Canadian_F_H]

Incidentally.  It has been pointed out to me that it may have been discussed in the "big chat thread" but I avoid those like the plague unless forced (ie, my areas of responsibility)

Also: nothing wrong with a dedicated topic for a thing that is otherwise buried in a "big chat" 

I was curious if anybody has tried to coax anything out of Warcom/GW about it yet tho.

 

[Noserenda]

Pretty sure we talked about it the state of the heresy thread when the loyalist book leaked? 

Anyhow yeah, its definitely coming, there is huge clues on the spartan sprues as well.

[No Foes Remain]

Ultramarines show the Explorator verison in the Libre Astartes, but like the others said nothing has been said about this so far. And with the Sicaran being shown on the reveal day and nothing but silence since, I don't hold up much hope on it coming soon.

[Canadian_F_H]

Which is a shame since I really need several of them.

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

Are people really keen for this then? 

I know rules wise ph and pr have their own entries, but I'm using all of my ph with the pr unit rules (as I don't think I should be penalised for having lots of raiders already) 

Don't get me wrong, I like the kit and have a resin one from a while back. But as I've been able to pick up ph's from ebay for 15 quid delivered over the years I can't see me forking out for a new one any time soon. 

[Astartes Consul]

2 hours ago, No Foes Remain said:

Ultramarines show the Explorator verison in the Libre Astartes, but like the others said nothing has been said about this so far. And with the Sicaran being shown on the reveal day and nothing but silence since, I don't hold up much hope on it coming soon.

The Sicaran also had a WarComm article here - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/12/heresy-thursday-the-plastic-sicaran-speeds-into-action/. Figure it will drop relatively soon, though there is also the matter of August's slated Liber Mechanicum and any potential new kits to go with that as well.

[OttoVonAwesome]

Proteus doesn't have an assault ramp though does it...? That looks suspiciously like this one 3d printed remix I was looking at the other day to have an Proteus styled Phobos. 

[Spagunk]

The proteus carrier does have a ramp. the proteus explorator does not.

[Astartes Consul]

53 minutes ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

Proteus doesn't have an assault ramp though does it...? That looks suspiciously like this one 3d printed remix I was looking at the other day to have an Proteus styled Phobos. 

Old Proteus, no. New one, yes.

[Orange Knight]

It looks great, and it's definitely a plastic model.

I wonder when it will be released. I'm still waiting on things they previewed before the new Heresy even launched...

[OttoVonAwesome]

1 hour ago, Astartes Consul said:

Old Proteus, no. New one, yes.

Really? Seems like the seperate sheet for the phobos raider is pointless then. 

[Canadian_F_H]

42 minutes ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

Really? Seems like the seperate sheet for the phobos raider is pointless then. 

It seams pointless to me too.  I have been trying to figure out why they did that. They are identical in all but name. The points and options and everything are identical.  But the name means the Phobos isn't eligible as a DT.  tho I would use the kits interchangeably and expect others to feel free to do so as well.  Of course the Phobos doesn't come with the lascannon turret, I wasn't planning on using that anyways, but it will matter to some folks. 

GW works in mysterious ways.

[Hfran Morkai]

I'd personally much rather plastic MkIIB (my favourite Land Raider pattern).

 

It's cool though!

[Harrowmaster]

6 hours ago, Canadian_F_H said:

It seams pointless to me too.  I have been trying to figure out why they did that. They are identical in all but name. The points and options and everything are identical.  But the name means the Phobos isn't eligible as a DT.  tho I would use the kits interchangeably and expect others to feel free to do so as well.  Of course the Phobos doesn't come with the lascannon turret, I wasn't planning on using that anyways, but it will matter to some folks. 

GW works in mysterious ways.

The lascannon from the razorback fits the phobos perfectly though (and I have loads spare thanks to my rhino armada) so you can model that option easily enough. I don't understand the differentiation between the two because they are basically identical (barring DT status but my group won't stop me there and hopefully it doesn't cause much trouble for the community at large). 

[Astartes Consul]

8 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

Really? Seems like the seperate sheet for the phobos raider is pointless then. 

Yeah it is odd tbh. I guess because they still sell the Phobos - or Mk IIb. as they started calling it - so want it to have rules, especially as a lot of people will have them in their Heresy armies. Though off the top of my head, I can't think of any meaningful differences and I'm running my Phobos as the 'Land Raider Carrier' anyway.

[Xenith]

More an aesthetic thing, for historical gaming. All the Deimos/Proteus/retro stuff is in the black books, while the 40k compatible/later designs are in the supplement. 

My Alphas probably want an Explorator, just a shame they're not DT's for anyone anymore? 

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

The reason the phobos has separate unit entry that doesn't have DT inclusion is simple. 

If they were the same entry it would affect sales of the new kit when it comes out, as people (like myself) that have plenty of phobos raiders won't need to buy the new kits to transport their units around in. 

It's a :cuss:ty reason, but that's why they've done it 

[Arkhanist]

It also raises the question - is a mark iib counted as a phobos, a proteus carrier, or neither? It has the sponsons and hull mount of the armoured proteus, and the tracks of the phobos. Just goes to show the money-grabbing stupidity of pointless separate datasheets for evolutions of the same vehicle that all happened during the heresy. What's next, mars pattern rhinos get a separate sheet from the deimos, with only the deimos being a DT?

Edited July 26, 2022 by Arkhanist

[SkimaskMohawk]

22 minutes ago, Arkhanist said:

It also raises the question - is a mark iib counted as a phobos, a proteus carrier, or neither? It has the sponsons and hull mount of the armoured proteus, and the tracks of the phobos. Just goes to show the money-grabbing stupidity of pointless separate datasheets for evolutions of the same vehicle that all happened during the heresy. What's next, mars pattern rhinos get a separate sheet from the deimos, with only the deimos being a DT?

The mars clearly only carries 10, compared to the Deimos 12 lmao.

[JeffJedi]

The Phobos will surely be going out of style soon. It's nearly 20 years old? Less sprues and a smaller box will do in it and the Rhino.

[Kharash test dummy]

 

I've noticed the resin FW Proteus has vanished from the website too - that happened just before they announced the Predator tanks, so might be imminent?

(Having said that, if this plastic version is the one with the access ramp, wouldn't it have made sense to continue selling the one without the access ramp?)

[Arkhanist]

Given both options are in the liber, the plastic one can presumably be made with or without the assault ramp.