Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I was just thinking that it would be a unique thing for gravis to ignore the -1 to hit penalty powerfists have. Imagine the gravis captain 2 fists 6 attacks, hitting on 2+ Emperor Ming and XeonDragon 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 That would make Aggressors much nastier in combat, as long as their gauntlets counted as powerfists. XeonDragon and Inquisitor_Lensoven 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) I would prefer if the Boltstorm Gauntlets for the Captain and Aggressor Squad were combined. Make it an assault 3 weapon, that can be fired as a pistol against a unit within melee. Edited July 31, 2022 by CCE1981 XeonDragon, Inquisitor_Lensoven and Wugo_Heaving 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Lord_Ikka said: That would make Aggressors much nastier in combat, as long as their gauntlets counted as powerfists. Yeah I feel like that would be a given lol. a gravis captain stomping up the field with aggressors would be a beat stick combined unit. Edited July 31, 2022 by Inquisitor_Lensoven XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, CCE1981 said: I would prefer if the Boltstorm Gauntlets for the Captain and Aggressor Squad were combined. Make it an assault 3 weapon, that can be fired as a pistol against a unit within melee. I think they would probably just make them all pistol3 at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 The problem with making the boltstorm gauntlets pistol is that you can’t shoot them if you Advance. XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, CCE1981 said: The problem with making the boltstorm gauntlets pistol is that you can’t shoot them if you Advance. You’re just not going get the rules for both assault and pistol weapons XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Didn’t think we would get the rules for vehicles to shoot into melee. I would still like to see it. It would mean they aren’t getting bogged down in combat. Removing -1 to hot is easy enough to get around with Chaplain or Chapter Master re-rolls anyway. I really don’t think that removing it is going to really do too much. XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I’d rather see terminators ignore unwieldy. Aggressors it just seems like a wasted opportunity to me. phandaal and XeonDragon 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 hours ago, CCE1981 said: Didn’t think we would get the rules for vehicles to shoot into melee. I would still like to see it. It would mean they aren’t getting bogged down in combat. Removing -1 to hot is easy enough to get around with Chaplain or Chapter Master re-rolls anyway. I really don’t think that removing it is going to really do too much. Hitting on a 3+ is quite a bit better than 4+ And a 2+ for the captain is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Black Blow Fly said: I’d rather see terminators ignore unwieldy. Aggressors it just seems like a wasted opportunity to me. Same for Heavy weapons. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Black Blow Fly said: I’d rather see terminators ignore unwieldy. Aggressors it just seems like a wasted opportunity to me. or it would be a way to further differentiate the two armour types. BLACK BLŒ FLY and Inquisitor_Lensoven 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 If Aggressors could ignore the -1 to hit, it could at least represent an advance in tech for the Primaris and all that. Plus, Terminators already have Fury of the First. Also, Aggressors should be able to take frag Launchers with boltstorms and flamers. Dumb how the frags are locked to the bolters. mel_danes, XeonDragon and Dracos 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, UnkyHamHam said: If Aggressors could ignore the -1 to hit, it could at least represent an advance in tech for the Primaris and all that. Plus, Terminators already have Fury of the First. Also, Aggressors should be able to take frag Launchers with boltstorms and flamers. Dumb how the frags are locked to the bolters. First part is what I was thinking. I think it’s to balance the two options a bit. flame and frag gets up to a possible 18 shots I think. flame only 12 bolt and frag likewise max 12 shots. bolt and frag you’re guaranteed 7 shots, but I think your average with flamestorm is higher. XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: First part is what I was thinking. I think it’s to balance the two options a bit. flame and frag gets up to a possible 18 shots I think. flame only 12 bolt and frag likewise max 12 shots. bolt and frag you’re guaranteed 7 shots, but I think your average with flamestorm is higher. Just need to pay a few extra points for it then. Balance is only needed if they are going to be equal cost. Cheaper and weaker vs pricey and powerful has always been a thing. It's ok to to have options. XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 The -1 to hit balances the hitting power of power fists. Nothing broken there, nothing to fix. BLACK BLΠFLY and XeonDragon 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Toldavf said: The -1 to hit balances the hitting power of power fists. Nothing broken there, nothing to fix. No one said anything was broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Toldavf said: The -1 to hit balances the hitting power of power fists. Nothing broken there, nothing to fix. It is not that power fists are broken, it is Aggressors that are suffering. A Special rule to ignore the penalty for Fists (or simply make it so boltstorm/flamestorm gauntlets do not have that rule) would be a good way to improve them. Inquisitor_Lensoven and Dracos 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 At the end of the day they are a hybrid unit and will pay a premium for it. Marines are an army with so much choice that they can pick a unit for a key task If one of you elite slots is underperforming well it's not like you have centurions or terminators that do the same job, tough, some str 4 shooting and high strength melee. If aggressors are just shunted into being the BIS out of the 3 where does that leave the other 2 units? On this forum asking for a buff they don't honestly need. Kallas and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 9 hours ago, Toldavf said: At the end of the day they are a hybrid unit and will pay a premium for it. Marines are an army with so much choice that they can pick a unit for a key task If one of you elite slots is underperforming well it's not like you have centurions or terminators that do the same job, tough, some str 4 shooting and high strength melee. If aggressors are just shunted into being the BIS out of the 3 where does that leave the other 2 units? On this forum asking for a buff they don't honestly need. So many people here saying that aggressors are underwhelming, and no one takes them for competitive lists, and heck I don’t even see people putting them into their casual friendly lists, so clearly they need a buff of some sort. Especially since everyone has been crying about them losing the ability to shoot twice. XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I've seen them in lists for casual. If they get any adustment it's more likely to be a points charge rather than a rules change. Imagine them In wolves with the proposed buff Power fists that hit on 2+ yaaaay... XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Seriously any unit will be better with +1 to hit lol ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Honestly just think they need to regain their move, run and shoot without penalties rule. I’d be happy with that lol Dracos and Inquisitor_Lensoven 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 On 8/2/2022 at 3:37 PM, Toldavf said: I've seen them in lists for casual. If they get any adustment it's more likely to be a points charge rather than a rules change. Imagine them In wolves with the proposed buff Power fists that hit on 2+ yaaaay... Personal experiences swing wildly, tournament data on the other hand is fair for analysis of a units competitiveness within its own codex. Terminators are taken over Aggressors significantly. point for point cmpetitive players prefer Terminators. Aggressors could use a buff but honestly the whole Codex is a mess that needs that fat trimmed - which would set off a crap storm - or imo seperate the Firstborn and Primaris units with a rule that allows a mixture akin to the Eldar mixing Dark, Craft and ... that new one I'm too old to look up right now :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beta galactosidase Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Craftworlds as Asuryani is easy to remember because of the IRL god Ashur from Assyria and the eldar’s father god Asuryan. it’s not pleasant to remember because of the way it sounds like Yoni Egg, which is awful. but there is no new Eldar codex beyond the usual dark and craftworlder ones. luckily while GW had been doing a few exception-to-an-exception rules recently, I don’t think they or any house rulers are going to go for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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