Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 9 hours ago, domsto said: You are thinking to small my friend. The Vanquisher cannon must get a similar statline as the Tau Railgun to be lore accurate and viable. Things shouldn’t be lore accurate because the game would be broken, and which lore should things be accurate to? Different books will depict the same things completely differently based on what the plot needs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldWherewolf Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 The Mordian Glory rumor isn't that the Wyvren is going away, it's that the Wyvern kit is going away in favor of a combined Manticore/Wyvern/Deathstrike kit. The Tau railgun is just one shot. The Vanq could be useful a ~2-3 shots, S12, D6ish, with some special rule like ignoring phase caps and invulns. With the +1 to hit, and it taking a normal slot instead of an HQ, it would be worth it. It's just not useful today because it doesn't do enough damage to be worth a TC slot. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrKoolPants Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 13 hours ago, domsto said: You are thinking to small my friend. The Vanquisher cannon must get a similar statline as the Tau Railgun to be lore accurate and viable. And if we’re lucky, a statline (and/or special rules) that will dumpster things like Hammerheads and Land Fortresses! Emperor Ming and duz_ 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 The Macharius Vanquisher is 2 shots Str16 dmg straight 9!! It’s good but still on average the regular Macharius battlecannon does better especially against anything with an invuln save. An ignore invulnerable saves or mortal wounds rule would really help. Emperor Ming and domsto 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I just hope an all infantry force is still viable. if whiteshields are still in the mix, then im good to go. Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, greatcrusade08 said: I just hope an all infantry force is still viable. if whiteshields are still in the mix, then im good to go. With the nerf to first rank fire, I'm not so sure Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 hours ago, greatcrusade08 said: I just hope an all infantry force is still viable. if whiteshields are still in the mix, then im good to go. Guess it will partly depend on what you mean by all infantry force. im sure if you include FOBs to support your conscripts/IS/CSTs then most likely. if you mean blobs of 200 infantry with nothing but lasguns, I’d imagine that’s not going to be any where as viable as upgraded infantry or armor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Moved new Rough Rider announcement to Reveals thread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Heresy Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 'Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of hell Rode the six hundred.' That settles it, my Vostroyans will recieve cavalry support before I buy them any tanks or artillery. I'm crossing my fingers that they can be taken in squads of at least ten. MrKoolPants, Lord Raven 19, sairence and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 22 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said: Guess it will partly depend on what you mean by all infantry force. im sure if you include FOBs to support your conscripts/IS/CSTs then most likely. if you mean blobs of 200 infantry with nothing but lasguns, I’d imagine that’s not going to be any where as viable as upgraded infantry or armor atm i run conscripts, regular infantry, command sqauds, HWTs etc. i like the look of the new gun emplacement models. im a fan of the change to two special weapons in infatry tbh, makes them easier to use Inquisitor_Lensoven 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, greatcrusade08 said: atm i run conscripts, regular infantry, command sqauds, HWTs etc. i like the look of the new gun emplacement models. im a fan of the change to two special weapons in infatry tbh, makes them easier to use I think the conscripts won’t provide a very ROI, but otherwise I think you’ll probably be just fine if you integrate the new infantry units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 Take with a massive grain of salt. but boy oh boy that exterminator rumor has me rock hard! duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I saw these leaks earlier. I'm taking them with a grain of salt. Making the Exterminator 3 shots each puts it inline with the Predator I believe which is long overdue. I don't know what always overcharged Executioner means? Flat 3 damage on the battle cannon is amazing. Vanquisher is finally what it needs to be. Especially if turrets fire at BS3+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldWherewolf Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 salt... salt... salt.... Unfortunately with AoC, the 20 shots and AP1 on the Punisher means that gun took a major nerf. It would still be useful against hordes, but less effective against anything else. I would say the Executioner means single-profile (no dual-profile) any to-hit roll of a 1 means a MW. It just means we need a source of RR1s to Hit. In which case, the flat D2 doesn't make sense. Sure the AP4 is great, but with all the -1D out there, it's a "meh" trade-off. I'd just take the DC. I'm iffy on the Vanq. AP4 would need a bunch of shots because AP4 goes to AP3, so terminators in cover are saving on 4s. Unless the opponent has vehicles... It's a niche weapon, and it has potential at BS3, I'll just have to wait until the book comes out and find the sweet spot, and figure out if the gun fits in it's niche. The exterminator & BC look sooooooo sweet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, OldWherewolf said: Unfortunately with AoC, the 20 shots and AP1 on the Punisher means that gun took a major nerf. How so? It's currently Heavy 20 S5 AP -, this can only be an upgrade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, duz_ said: I saw these leaks earlier. I'm taking them with a grain of salt. Making the Exterminator 3 shots each puts it inline with the Predator I believe which is long overdue. I don't know what always overcharged Executioner means? Flat 3 damage on the battle cannon is amazing. Vanquisher is finally what it needs to be. Especially if turrets fire at BS3+ I'd guess that there's no normal profile any more and it only uses the overcharged statline. 18 minutes ago, OldWherewolf said: salt... salt... salt.... Unfortunately with AoC, the 20 shots and AP1 on the Punisher means that gun took a major nerf. It would still be useful against hordes, but less effective against anything else. I would say the Executioner means single-profile (no dual-profile) any to-hit roll of a 1 means a MW. It just means we need a source of RR1s to Hit. In which case, the flat D2 doesn't make sense. Sure the AP4 is great, but with all the -1D out there, it's a "meh" trade-off. I'd just take the DC. I'm iffy on the Vanq. AP4 would need a bunch of shots because AP4 goes to AP3, so terminators in cover are saving on 4s. Unless the opponent has vehicles... It's a niche weapon, and it has potential at BS3, I'll just have to wait until the book comes out and find the sweet spot, and figure out if the gun fits in it's niche. The exterminator & BC look sooooooo sweet. 1. the punisher was always just meant to clear hordes, and not meant to be good against MEQ 2. off the top of my head i thought russes had plasma vents or something that prevented the MWs of overheating or was that just the TC? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Plasma vents is for side sponsons. Makes it 1 MW instead of destroyed. Main cannon you auto take 1 MW on a roll of a one, which is baked into the profile. Inquisitor_Lensoven 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Without firing twice, all of these look like either side grades or nerfs This could be made up with points decreases I guess Even the battle cannon, ok so it does look better, but it could end up with 4 shots, with double shots and pound them to dust mine always got around 8, maybe 6 with a low roll OldWherewolf and Shamansky 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Have we seen a recent rumour where we lose Grinding Advance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, duz_ said: Have we seen a recent rumour where we lose Grinding Advance? Recent? No, but that’s been the rumor for a while now. Emperor Ming 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Emperor Ming said: Without firing twice, all of these look like either side grades or nerfs This could be made up with points decreases I guess Even the battle cannon, ok so it does look better, but it could end up with 4 shots, with double shots and pound them to dust mine always got around 8, maybe 6 with a low roll increased shots, or better stats, for turret weapons with +1 to hit sounds pretty good to me, tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Did some quick numbers on increased bs vs double tap. Hits definitely go down, but with increase in damage it might net out in the end? I didn't get that far. I suspect it does. So for less dice rolling same output ish? Seems a bit of a side grade, but at least not an outright nerf. Emperor Ming 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, duz_ said: So for less dice rolling anything that involves less dice rolling is good. MrKoolPants, apologist and Inquisitor_Lensoven 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrKoolPants Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 hours ago, duz_ said: How so? It's currently Heavy 20 S5 AP -, this can only be an upgrade? If we lose grinding advance it’s a big ol’ nerf for the punisher. At the moment, you can double tap anything and fish for 6s with HotE, getting 6-7 wounds off the hit roll alone (on average) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) The +1 to hit is sort of a side grade as well since people were running 3 tank commanders and is a nerf to tank commander sponsons and hull weapons and the big problem I have here is guard need general all-round improvements, not sidegrades or nerfs. Edited October 18, 2022 by Emperor Ming Slave to Darkness and Shamansky 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/375624-new-rumors-updated-12-oct/page/4/#findComment-5876803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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