GW really doesn’t know how to do bargain boxes.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

The new blood and plunder edition or whatever has a 2 player box set for $145.

it comes with two sloops, which is $164 on their own, plus the infantry/crew, a dozen dice, two sided play mat, card cutout terrain, tokens, etc.

Just off of the models, that’s a savings of roughly $60. 
Most of the boxes GW does these days seem to be no where near as good  of deals as this is.

[Brother Captain Arkley]

Can you be a bit more specific? @Inquisitor_Lensoven

[MARK0SIAN]

The Age of Darkness box is a pretty good saving and some of the specialist games ones are good value introductory boxes. 

GW seems to over value terrain which means the kill team ones and necromunda ones always strike me as quite pricey for what you get in the box and some of the combat patrol boxes don’t offer a particularly great saving.

Overall it seems very variable to me, some boxes are great, others don’t really offer any value, especially if they’ve got over-inflated characters in them that knocks down the value they offer significantly.

Edited September 21, 2022 by MARK0SIAN
Grammar

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

18 minutes ago, Brother Captain Arkley said:

Can you be a bit more specific? @Inquisitor_Lensoven

I mean iirc by comparison GW’s starter and other boxes don’t provide as much value.

definitely not getting two $82 units in one box.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Maybe I’m misremembering and generally salty at GW’s pricing but it seems like this box is a better value than indomitus was

[Brother Captain Arkley]

10 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I mean iirc by comparison GW’s starter and other boxes don’t provide as much value.

definitely not getting two $82 units in one box.

So the Combat Patrols and 40K Starter sets (Recruit, Elite and Command)

I think the Combat Patrols for me being UK based jumping to £90 was a bit of a pain. I can get them for £67.50 to £76.50 depending on where I shop  (Not including shipping). Around $80 for the US.

The issue I have is more with the content of some of the boxes that just put me right of them... Take the 1KSons box... No basic Rubrics.

But I do like most of the Astartes ones.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Brother Captain Arkley

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

11 minutes ago, Brother Captain Arkley said:

So the Combat Patrols and 40K Starter sets (Recruit, Elite and Command)

I think the Combat Patrols for me being UK based jumping to £90 was a bit of a pain. I can get them for £67.50 to £76.50 depending on where I shop  (Not including shipping). Around $80 for the US.

The issue I have is more with the content of some of the boxes that just put me right of them... Take the 1KSons box... No basic Rubrics.

But I do like most of the Astartes ones.

The command set is almost $200 here in the states according to the website.

[Brother Captain Arkley]

1 minute ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

The command set is almost $200 here in the states according to the website.

$185 but why would you buy direct? Not got a good online 3rd party to go to?

[Son of Sacrifice]

57 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

The new blood and plunder edition or whatever has a 2 player box set for $145.

it comes with two sloops, which is $164 on their own, plus the infantry/crew, a dozen dice, two sided play mat, card cutout terrain, tokens, etc.

Just off of the models, that’s a savings of roughly $60. 
Most of the boxes GW does these days seem to be no where near as good  of deals as this is.

Didn't Indomitus and the new Heresy starter offer similar savings? 

[gaurdian31]

8 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Maybe I’m misremembering and generally salty at GW’s pricing but it seems like this box is a better value than indomitus was

The Indomitus Box was $200. Here's an approximate value break down of the contents:

Space Marines side had the Honoured of the Chapter set which is $150 plus outriders at $60, Assault Intercessors at $60, Primaris Captain at $38 and Primaris Lieutenant at $35

Necron side had the Necron Royal Court at $115, Skorpekh Destroyers at $60, Warriors X2 at $50 each and the Royal Warden (doesn't have a price on GW's site but probably $30)

Also the main rule book at $70. So total value of all that is $718. Pretty good deal there I would say.

[Special Officer Doofy]

The main starter set at the beginning of the edition are usually a good savings, but that's about it.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 minutes ago, gaurdian31 said:

The Indomitus Box was $200. Here's an approximate value break down of the contents:

Space Marines side had the Honoured of the Chapter set which is $150 plus outriders at $60, Assault Intercessors at $60, Primaris Captain at $38 and Primaris Lieutenant at $35

Necron side had the Necron Royal Court at $115, Skorpekh Destroyers at $60, Warriors X2 at $50 each and the Royal Warden (doesn't have a price on GW's site but probably $30)

Also the main rule book at $70. So total value of all that is $718. Pretty good deal there I would say.

If you want both armies.

the two ships in the B&P box sets can be used by pretty much all of the factions, and heck I’m pretty sure the crew can technically be used for most any faction if you give them the proper paint scheme

meaning one person can get full value or at the very least most of the value out of one box 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Brother Captain Arkley]

2 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

 

Two ships in the B&P box sets

What ships and what is Blood and Plunder?

[gaurdian31]

3 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

If you want both armies.

the two ships in the B&P box sets can be used by pretty much all of the factions, and heck I’m pretty sure the crew can technically be used for most any faction if you give them the proper paint scheme

Okay so if you want just the Space Marines that would be normal price $343. Necrons would be $305 and you get the main rule book at $70, a decal sheet and rules for all the models in the box plus some scenarios. So even if you can't split the cost you are saving  $213 on the Space Marines and $175 on the Necrons (this is including the MRB, otherwise subtract $70). Then you can sell the other half if you want.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

29 minutes ago, Brother Captain Arkley said:

What ships and what is Blood and Plunder?

It’s a 28mm age of sail game. From long boats up to frigates.

[Valkia the Bloody]

(checked out blood and plunder and it looks interesting by the way)

I think what it comes down to is- what do you want to get out of a box? Then you can decide if it is worth it for you or not.

Well, I by now force myself to only buy the boxes I think I get the most out of.

Indomitus was a great deal for me- for a long time, I wanted to start a Cyberman themed Necron army, so it helped me create one and it is now at a bit over 2000 points.

I used the Marine special characters for my small Loyalist force. And the standard Marine troops and bikes I haked apart and converted to the cause of Chaos in my Night Lords army.

3 time win.

I understand that it will be much less value of you are not after the special books that come in the boxes, or if you are not after one of the armies or some of the terrain.

However.

I have just bought the new Kill Team box, and OMG, that box is huge and heavy. I did a double take when picking it up. Easily the heaviest box I have ever bought from GW. The amount of plastic in there is staggering. I very well think I did get a lot of value for money out of it.

I liked the design of both Kill Teams, I still needed the core rules, and I really wanted to paint some terrain again after a long time (and having had sold most of my old terrain after moving countries). What is cooler or more iconic than painting some space hulk terrain? This will be a great project for me this autumn and winter and is a nice change from painting my chaos army.

I think the main question with these boxes is- what do you want to get out of it?

For example, I was contemplating getting the Eldrich Omens box. Just because of the Chaos Chosen. But then I thought the better of it, the box itself is less than impressive and is edging a bit on the pathetic side! And I already had a Forgefield model and I am also not the biggest fan of Eldar. I also decided against getting Kill Team Nachmund, for similar reasons, and because while the Chaos Legionaries look cool, all my converted loyalist models fitted the theme of my pirate warband much better than a bunch of thugs in gothic armour.

I also personally do not think the new Votann army box is that good a deal (but then, I do not like the design of the models).

But- to come back to the question if GW does know how to do bargain boxes?

Honestly, how can THIS not be a bargain?

Edited September 21, 2022 by Valkia the Bloody

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

7 minutes ago, Valkia the Bloody said:

(checked out blood and plunder and it looks interesting by the way)

I think what it comes down to is- what do you want to get out of a box? Then you can decide if it is worth it for you or not.

Well, I by now force myself to only buy the boxes I think I get the most out of.

Indomitus was a great deal for me- for a long time, I wanted to start a Cyberman themed Necron army, so it helped me create one and it is now at a bit over 2000 points.

I used the Marine special characters for my small Loyalist force. And the standard Marine troops and bikes I haked apart and converted to the cause of Chaos in my Night Lords army.

3 time win.

I understand that it will be much less value of you are not after the special books that come in the boxes, or if you are not after one of the armies or some of the terrain.

However.

I have just bought the new Kill Team box, and OMG, that box is huge and heavy. I did a double take when picking it up. Easily the heaviest box I have ever bought from GW. The amount of plastic in there is staggering. I very well think I did get a lot of value for money out of it.

I liked the design of both Kill Teams, I still needed the core rules, and I really wanted to paint some terrain again after a long time (and having had sold most of my old terrain after moving countries). What is cooler or more iconic than painting some space hulk terrain? This will be a great project for me this autumn and winter and is a nice change from painting my chaos army.

I think the main question with these boxes is- what do you want to get out of it?

For example, I was contemplating getting the Eldrich Omens box. Just because of the Chaos Chosen. But then I thought the better of it, the box itself is less than impressive and is edging a bit on the pathetic side! And I already had a Forgefield model and I am also not the biggest fan of Eldar. I also decided against getting Kill Team Nachmund, for similar reasons, and because while the Chaos Legionaries look cool, all my converted loyalist models fitted the theme of my pirate warband much better than a bunch of thugs in gothic armour.

I also personally do not think the new Votann army box is that good a deal (but then, I do not like the design of the models).

But- to come back to the question if GW does know how to do bargain boxes?

Honestly, how can THIS not be a bargain?

Yeah, obviously these dual boxes are much better value if you want both sets of units.

it’s just when you have the ability to make use of most of the product for one single army or force it just makes more sense to me.

[Leonaides]

In which case, that's just your take on subjective value, rather than objective value. 

Objectively, the indomitus set had a higher actual currency value saving and a higher % saving. That Blood and thunder box was what, 25% discount on models? So not much more than the difference between rrp and lgs discount if you look around.

 

Just to point it out, your opinion may vary.

[phandaal]

New Squats  box seems like a good deal. That is compared to GW's usual prices, of course.

Any other company is going to be a better overall value in terms of the sheer amount of plastic you get.

Got a box of Avatars of War "Slayers" for conversion bits - $45 for 20 multipose models.

[skylerboodie]

I think a lot of GW's big boxes do offer good value, at least when compared to their separate piece prices (not the merits of individual pricing).

However, I think Brother Captain Arkley makes a good point re: a bigger issue being the unit selection in their Combat Patrols, such as no Rubrics for Thousand Sons, 30(!) Poxwalkers for Death Guard, the apparent community disappointment at the Redemptor in Black Templars (Sword Brethren would've admittedly been better, though personally I wanted the dread too anyway), Drukhari not working in a build list way, etc. That's an area where it feels like GW make poor choices. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by skylerboodie

[Brother Captain Arkley]

6 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

I think a lot of GW's big boxes do offer good value, at least when compared to their separate piece prices (not the merits of individual pricing).

However, I think Brother Captain Arkley makes a good point re: a bigger issue being the unit selection in their Combat Patrols, such as no Rubrics for Thousand Sons, 30(!) Poxwalkers for Death Guard, the apparent community disappointment at the Redemptor in Black Templars (Sword Brethren would've admittedly been better, though personally I wanted the dread too anyway), Drukhari not working in a build list way, etc. That's an area where it feels like GW make poor choices. 

Yup some of them are just poor.

 

For me most of the marine ones work for me, the standard marine one not so much I want Suppressors as a separate kit.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Brother Captain Arkley

[Lord_Ikka]

GW's boxes/"deals" are very hit-or-miss, on both quality of models selected (ie- units being useful in-game) and value. A lot of times they'll put up online-only deals that have no savings at all, but are clearly designed to get rid of a surplus of X units that are just lingering in their warehouse.

Their boxes have some decent savings, but quite often are almost confused in what they are offering. Is is supposed to be a starter kit for new players to a faction? If so, give them a decent starting set of a couple of Troops and an HQ, not a single Troop choice and then a random selection of Elite/Fast Attacks. Is the box for veteran players to expand their army? Then give them no Troops (they'll have enough anyway), but maybe some of the Elites/Heavy Supports that you rarely see in box deals. But GW will consistently put out boxes that don't seem to have direction- either being too Troop heavy to appeal to veterans or full of odd other units that are either hard to use/situational for newbies. 

[Valkia the Bloody]

37 minutes ago, Lord_Ikka said:

GW's boxes/"deals" are very hit-or-miss, on both quality of models selected (ie- units being useful in-game) and value. A lot of times they'll put up online-only deals that have no savings at all, but are clearly designed to get rid of a surplus of X units that are just lingering in their warehouse.

Their boxes have some decent savings, but quite often are almost confused in what they are offering. Is is supposed to be a starter kit for new players to a faction? If so, give them a decent starting set of a couple of Troops and an HQ, not a single Troop choice and then a random selection of Elite/Fast Attacks. Is the box for veteran players to expand their army? Then give them no Troops (they'll have enough anyway), but maybe some of the Elites/Heavy Supports that you rarely see in box deals. But GW will consistently put out boxes that don't seem to have direction- either being too Troop heavy to appeal to veterans or full of odd other units that are either hard to use/situational for newbies. 

Oh yes.

Very much this.

I have so far only bought two of the "Start collecting/ Patrol" boxes- the previous Chaos Space Marines (which was absolute great value for money with awesome miniatures) and the Necrons (what is this content even supposed to be? I actually just got it for the Immortals and the Lord and it seemed like a good deal. I would have not bought the Tomb blades and flyer otherwise). I was contemplating doing Thousand Sons, but so far, all these weird bird men have turned me off. What is the deal with these Tzaangors? Never read about them in the old lore. And I do not like the design!

[Lord_Ikka]

2 minutes ago, Valkia the Bloody said:

I was contemplating doing Thousand Sons, but so far, all these weird bird men have turned me off. What is the deal with these Tzaangors? Never read about them in the old lore. And I do not like the design!

Tzaangors are the TSons version of poxwalkers, in that they are a troop choice that is non-cultist, non-Marine, with the addition of a couple of Elite choices that are supposed to give the TSons the versatility of the Death Guard's character-heavy release- all without really having to release new models because the Tzaangor are also AoS units. Didn't really work out that way, as most TSons players want to play with their Rubricae and Scarabs, not bird-people. Fluff-wise, the TSons have used a lot of mutated soldier-slaves in their armies in various books, the Tzaangor just represent them/are a stable variation of mutated humans. 

[Xenith]

12 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Most of the boxes GW does these days seem to be no where near as good  of deals as this is.

I think this is just more GW bashing and willfully ignoring the boxes GW does do. 

What do the separate costs of the HH box add up to? 

It's about £340. The box is £180 for a saving of ~£161. 

The box has been for sale recently from third party retailers for £126, a saving of £216 ($245) off RRP of separate models. Better than the $60 saving, and both forces in the starter can be used in the same army to make a larger force. 

As described, combat patrols are hit and miss, but they also have to balance being ~500pts, discounts also vary and are tuned to get more people into that faction. 

Christmas sets are often much more value, about 30 - 40% off models before you get to FLGS discounts. I think my tyranids broodswarm from a couple of years ago was ~£200 of models at rrp for £110.