Brother Kraskor Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Is there anything preventing eg. multiple Biomancers in the same unit? I'm imagining T8 terminators (with Allied Sword Brother detachment), T10 Iron Circle, all manner of shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) Don't have my rulebook to hand, but usually in GW games the same special rule, power or spell can't be stacked with itself unless explicitly stated. EDIT: doesn't seem to be anything to prevent it. Another one for the FAQ. Edited October 1, 2022 by Brother_Angelus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 12 hours ago, Brother_Angelus said: Don't have my rulebook to hand, but usually in GW games the same special rule, power or spell can't be stacked with itself unless explicitly stated. EDIT: doesn't seem to be anything to prevent it. Another one for the FAQ. Yea the old restriction was in the psychic phase rules. Which doesn't exist and wasn't ported well. Thats kind of the theme with a lot of rules; the new 2nd edition equivalent fails to get all the language of the 1st edition mechanics that functioned correctly. Reminds me of the cenobium pdf without the ability to overwatch, or the spicula lol. They're a bit sloppy when it comes to inventing new mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 They got to be sloppy with drafts sometimes as well. The Cenobium thing was correct in the print version of Book 9, which means it had to have been corrected before the PDF publication if the physical copy had the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 Huh. So Primarch deathstars rocking T8 legion-specific terminators are pretty achievable - filthy! The Primarch themselves of course becoming S10 and T10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCore67 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I mean it's a cool idea (if technically allowed) but it's also another 210+ points you're tacking on to your deathstar if you're bringing 2 librarians. Also the biomancy power gives +1 strength and +1 toughness. So unless you're thousand sons the most you could get on one unit is +3 strength and +3 toughness. Its a cool gimmick I guess. Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I just find it wild that it was missed at all. 1st edition cataphractii are the 4++ in exchange for no overwatch, run, or sweep. It's not like it was a rough draft either, all the units special rules were there and fully written in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ShadowCore67 said: I mean it's a cool idea (if technically allowed) but it's also another 210+ points you're tacking on to your deathstar if you're bringing 2 librarians. Also the biomancy power gives +1 strength and +1 toughness. So unless you're thousand sons the most you could get on one unit is +3 strength and +3 toughness. Its a cool gimmick I guess. Yeah I'm not saying whether it's viable. But how do you deal with a big unit of T8 terminators? You can get +4S/T by taking an allied detachment with another Biomancer. 10 Cataphractii with power axes and 3 Tartaros Librarians is 685pts. They fit in a Spartan and will be between T4-7, with their axes making them S5-8. 685pts is eye-watering, but still probably cheaper than most Primarch + Termie deathstars that go into a Spartan, and if all your psychic tests go off they will be an absolute nightmare to deal with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Equivalent amount of points of contemptors That's 4 to 6 of them if you include the Spartans cost as part of the combo; 6 getting the charge average something like 17 failed saves against them. Theyre definitely fair and balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch5000 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 On 10/1/2022 at 7:12 PM, Brother Kraskor said: Yeah I'm not saying whether it's viable. But how do you deal with a big unit of T8 terminators? You can get +4S/T by taking an allied detachment with another Biomancer. 10 Cataphractii with power axes and 3 Tartaros Librarians is 685pts. They fit in a Spartan and will be between T4-7, with their axes making them S5-8. 685pts is eye-watering, but still probably cheaper than most Primarch + Termie deathstars that go into a Spartan, and if all your psychic tests go off they will be an absolute nightmare to deal with! People come up with ideas liek this and then say Nemesis Bolters are OP... :D Bung 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 With my dice rolls, I'm just imagining all the perils wounds I'd be tanking to the face with that many librarians To further the biomancy stacking topic, I think Night Lords technically can take the most librarians in a single detachment with Swift Blade, the tradeoff being you won't be able to take Curze. You could take 4 librarians in the primary detachment and +1 with the allied detachment for +5 S/T. Imagine 5 pyromancers throwing out 15 large blasts every turn, absolutely absurd My biggest issue with biomancy is the very short duration of the buff, only lasting one combat since it ends at the end of the Player Turn rather than Game Turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 On a related note to this (and I think it's already been answered)....there's nothing that says you can't take multiple psykers using the same discipline right? Ie, you can have 3 Biomancer Psykers? Also, can a given psyker cast as many psychic powers as opportunites give him to arise? So for example...(and I don't have my book with me but I copied this out of the Battlescribe notes), here is the wording for Biomantic Augmentation: Instead of making a Shooting Attack, a Psyker with this Psychic Power may select a single friendly unit within 6", that unit increases its Strength by +1 for the duration of the current player turn. When using this power, the controlling player may choose to have the Psyker take a Psychic check. If the Check is passed then both Strength and Toughness are increased by +1 for the duration of the current player turn. If the Check is failed, then the target unit gains no benefit and the Psyker suffers Perils of the Warp. So, could you choose to have the librarian cast a psychic power if he was attached to a unit that was using a reaction to make a shooting attack (ie, overwatch or return fire?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Stitch5000 said: People come up with ideas liek this and then say Nemesis Bolters are OP... :D In the grand scheme of things Nemesis Bolters are way more harsh than this edge case. Biomancy can only be used in certain situations and you're taking 2+ HQ slots to make the gimmick work. Noserenda and Spagunk 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Nemesis Bolters are considered OP? When did this happen? 10 pts for 1 heavy shot str 5 gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zodd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, 9x19 Parabellum said: Nemesis Bolters are considered OP? When did this happen? 10 pts for 1 heavy shot str 5 gun? That can kill sergeants, apothecaries and independent characters out of the middle of their units? With rending? With pinning? Yeah, they’re pretty full on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, 9x19 Parabellum said: Nemesis Bolters are considered OP? When did this happen? 10 pts for 1 heavy shot str 5 gun? 135 for 5 str 5, rending 5+, pinning, precision shots that also score, get +1 cover, and count as being further away/out of los? In the troops slot? You get a few units of those and it can become pretty oppressive. General Zodd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Yeah Nemesis bolters are ace, its mildly hilarious to me that they introduced such an excellent counter to big infantry blobs while trying so hard to encourage them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gristle McThornbody Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) NM Edited October 3, 2022 by Gristle McThornbody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Yeah I wouldn't call them 'OP', but they're definitely very good. Which is why I brought it up- situational buff stacking just isn't in the same league imo Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Though as a Sisters of Silence player, assuming we arent mauled, i encourage everyone to use all their HQ slots on psykers obviously :D General Zodd and Cactus 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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