INKS Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 From a competitive point of view what is the best way to build these guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) Keep in mind that there's not been a lot of competitive play happening for these guys so all we have is limited test matches and wild speculation to base our impressions on, but for me I think your special weapon choice can depend on the League you select. As a base to start, I'd suggest bolters all the way. The Ion Blasters previously had some good play with the Ion Storm Stratagem giving them room to really put the hurt on something triple judged, but that interaction was mostly left in taters following the emergency balance change FAQ. As GTL, or a Custom League with the reroll effect, low quantity but high quality special weapon shooting can be really reliable in an MSU build. That would be your Magna-Rail and Beam options. In other cases where you think you'll have some or most of that hard hitting power coming from somewhere else in your list, you can consider leaning towards the weapons that better complement the bolters, like the HYLas auto rifle and perhaps the missile launcher, whose blast profile gives you D6 shots that want to hit what your bolters shoot at, with flexibility to ppunc up against tougher targets. As for equipment, never leave home without a Medic. That passive effect, plus the stratagem, is well worth the 5 points. Everything in the army is now so much more expensive that you'll find it harder to trade up properly, and while these guys have a lot of overlapping defensive effects, they're still saving on a 4+ and only have one wound. All this to say that the medic feels like more of an auto-include than anything else. The comms are neat, and this army certainly does benefit more than most from rerolls, but I'm not entirely sold on it. It's tied stratagem is pricy but could be really effective against the right opponent, though I feel it's probably best on the Pioneers. The Scanner is okay because it denies cover saves and gives you access to an auspex scan-like stratagem, but it also improves one of your faction Secondaries. You probably won't realistically take that secondary ever so that's not really worth considering, imo. Edited October 2, 2022 by Lemondish Sawtooth, Trokair and INKS 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 great insights thanks! lots to consider I see. keep the opinions coming gang. Really trying to learn and wrap my head around here. codex is on the way, so I'll have that soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 New to this edition. Are the Theyn's worth giving any special equipment? I noticed their statline is a bit more robust than the rest of the unit but feel a bit weird giving them any fancy weapons, and really weird giving one a relic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Seeing we don't have much to play with at the moment, we can spend a few points for a"power sword" or a"powerfist", but nothing too fancy, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantyr Greymantle Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Hammer or axe on the Champion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Grantyr Greymantle said: Hammer or axe on the Champion? I'm a huge fan of the Hammer as it gives you the option to rock the Exactor relic, which is insanely good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Lemondish said: I'm a huge fan of the Hammer as it gives you the option to rock the Exactor relic, which is insanely good. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Give your champion the Warrior Lord trait along with his relic and he can reroll wounds and bypass Feel No Pain and per-phase damage caps. Sawtooth 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, phandaal said: Give your champion the Warrior Lord trait along with his relic and he can reroll wounds and bypass Feel No Pain and per-phase damage caps. I'm going Ymyr. Do you think their Guild Connections trait is better or worse than Warrior Lord on the champ, accepting that you have to drop the reliv and just use the normal hammer? Edited October 4, 2022 by Sawtooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 So... any more thoughts on this. Bolters? Railgun a must? hammer for the sgt? medic, comms? how are you guys building yours? I've got two squads right now, not sure how to outfit them honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 Sieglier had a war room game that I can't see. wonder what his list was. But I think Ion blasters for troops with minimal upgrades is the way to go. Then lots of bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danosborne Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I’ve given the Theyns powerfists because it looks baller. Also Magna Rail rifles are still really good even after the nerf, although I feel I’ll be able to get what they offer elsewhere after the rest of the range comes out. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 Awesome, have you played any games with them yet? I am wondering how they are treating you. gone with ion guns or bolterS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Given that movement is only 5" I'm putting bolters for the extra range (and shots) Medic in squads seems like a bargain! Comms also seem like a good upgrade! My sgts will get a volkite pistol and fist because looks cool. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 I hadn't considered range so much. I guess maybe I should build them with medic and comms and if I don't take them then I don't. love the idea of a volkite pistol. I just don't put too much stock into troop units doing a lot of work on the battlefield. guess we'll see. I need to see more people playing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, INKS said: I hadn't considered range so much. I guess maybe I should build them with medic and comms and if I don't take them then I don't. love the idea of a volkite pistol. I just don't put too much stock into troop units doing a lot of work on the battlefield. guess we'll see. I need to see more people playing them. This army is very limited in data sheets, so every unit kinda needs to pull its weight. This particular unit needs to be able to contribute because you're so limited on choice. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) hmmmm this is a good point. maybe... one shot 20 pt weapons seem like a bad choice though., Maybe some of the other choices. Edited October 6, 2022 by INKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobles57 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 6 hours ago, Chaplain Lucifer said: My sgts will get a volkite pistol and fist because looks cool. No volkite option for the theyn. Only bolt, ion or plasma. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doobles88 said: No volkite option for the theyn. Only bolt, ion or plasma. That is correct. I thought it was a Volkite because of the shape but now I see it's an Etacarn plasma. Seeing range is only 6", I will now probably swap it for an Ion pistol. Thanks for the heads up!!! Edited October 6, 2022 by Chaplain Lucifer INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 16 hours ago, INKS said: hmmmm this is a good point. maybe... one shot 20 pt weapons seem like a bad choice though., Maybe some of the other choices. I think it kinda depends on both the rest of your list and your selected Custom. If you're going with GTL or the reroll option in the create-a-custom list, low shot but high quality weapons embedded in your units are much more capable and can be pretty valuable. I'm actually looking at this as an option for a Sagitaur heavy build. Lots of ways to lean into that when you can create MSU Warrior units, I'd say. If you intend to decentralize with Ymyr instead, so that you aren't hugging a Kahl all game, comms would help make them more accurate as well. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 Some good points being made. I guess I really need to focus on which custom I'll go with. I need the line to come out so people are taking them to tournaments and I can see results!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 The Ion Storm strategem is broken right now thanks to GW's pants-on-fire FAQ, so you will probably see fewer people taking Ion compared to what it would have been before. Those mortal wounds were a big incentive for blaster squads. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trokair Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 I built my initial squad as a 20 kin unit with bolters, with 2 rail, 2 missile, medic, comms and scanner, nothing fancy on the sergeant. They sit on a home objective and the rail + missile go tank hunting and the bolters take shots at whatever wonders into range. I have tried them with Ymyr for extra range and 5++ and with Urani-Surtr for the extra toughness, both games they preformed similar. I have also tried (via proxies) a 10 kin all ion no other upgrades unit, only two survived, but they ran forward to get a mid game object and then shoot some approaching marines. I don’t think I would ran a 20 kin ion unit due to the short range and fewer shots, but one or two 10 kin units to run forward and pot-shot marines i can see doing. Especially with a babysitting Kahl following them. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 Appreciate the insights. Looking for as much data in games played as I can find right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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