Iron Lord Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, jarms48 said: No way it's that big. That's basically as wide as the Baneblade, just shorter. In any kind of tournament table it's going to be nearly impossible to move around. The heavy bolters and their sponsons look a tiny bit oversized compared to the Russ ones. I can believe it is a tiny bit oversized in the shot, but only a tiny bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 20 hours ago, Emperor Ming said: Looks like hes on an 80mm base Zounds! I hadn't realized that I thought it was a display base... but you're right and it will be mandatory. So dumb. I was just looking for a cool model to use as a conversion/proxy too. Guess I can stop. Dear GW please put the crack pipe down and find help! Shamansky and Emperor Ming 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 80mm does seem a bit too large for a single character (hell the HH Primarchs are on 40mm gaming and 50mm display bases). An oval base like the rough riders would have been better imo. Edit: One thing I'm confused about is the choice of Leontus being the Lord Commander Solar rather than the Lord Solar or Lord Commander Militant. It may be nitpicking on my part but I don't get why they'd make a model for the guy in charge of Segementum solar as opposed to the Warmaster or the guy in charge of the whole Imperial Guard. Edited November 1, 2022 by Harrowmaster Warhead01 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Harrowmaster said: Edit: One thing I'm confused about is the choice of Leontus being the Lord Commander Solar rather than the Lord Solar or Lord Commander Militant. It may be nitpicking on my part but I don't get why they'd make a model for the guy in charge of Segementum solar as opposed to the Warmaster or the guy in charge of the whole Imperial Guard. Then they can slip out some more high level characters in charge of other segmentums maybe? I can imagine the guy in charge of all the guard being just like the guys in Emperors Text to Speech, old, deaf and useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, Slave to Darkness said: Then they can slip out some more high level characters in charge of other segmentums maybe? I can imagine the guy in charge of all the guard being just like the guys in Emperors Text to Speech, old, deaf and useless. Maybe, I can't imagine the Lord Commander Militant would be much use on a battlefield. The WarCom article mentioned that he leads crusades outside of his segmentum though, which would suit a Lord Solar better imo. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Sounds like warcom getting the lore mixed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Harrowmaster said: One thing I'm confused about is the choice of Leontus being the Lord Commander Solar rather than the Lord Solar or Lord Commander Militant. It may be nitpicking on my part but I don't get why they'd make a model for the guy in charge of Segementum solar as opposed to the Warmaster or the guy in charge of the whole Imperial Guard. Lord Solar is short for Lord Commander Solar. Macharius was Lord Commander Solar - head of Segmentum Solar's forces. Yet he led a major crusade out of his own Segmentum, into Segmentum Pacificus. I figure that normally, the Lords Commander of each Segmentum, are bureaucrats more than warriors - but because the Lord Militant of the Imperial Guard is based on Terra just as the Lord Commander Solar is - they can sometimes do the Lord Commander Solar's bureaucratic work in addition to their own. As a result, a Lord Commander Solar can be named a Warmaster as well, and put in charge of a crusade, without massively disrupting the organisation of their Segmentum's forces - the Lord Commander Militant can take over for them while they're leading a crusade. That's why Macharius could do what he did do - with the Lord Commander Militant doing his Segmentum Command job for a time. Others have been named Warmaster as well - but the Lord Commander Solar is in a better position for it than the Lords Commander of the other 4 Segmentums, so I would guess that most Warmasters who aren't Lords Solar, are promoted from the ranks of the regular Lord Generals, rather than from the other 4 Lords Commander. Legionary Pallas and Harrowmaster 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWarrior Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 It seems like a lot of people are getting hung up on a title that can mean whatever GW wants it to mean., and that meaning doesn’t have to be the same as it was 30 years ago Shamansky and duz_ 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) It seems this discussion of historical context of the Dorn turret is veering into the nuisances of logic. We all know that this folly in 40k. Although the mounting seems absurd enough to be a 40k concoction, it clearly drew inspiration from real world. Some people like the design, some don't. We can leave it at that. There is no reason to continue any further discussion on the real life parallels of the design and its implications. Similarly, discussing the roles, responsibilities and authority of the Lord Solar does not belong to this thread. If a separate one wants to be created to discuss the lore around those individuals, I'm sure it would be an interesting discussion. Edited November 2, 2022 by duz_ Harrowmaster 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezron Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/02/rogal-dorn-size-comparison-how-the-new-tank-matches-up-in-scale-and-rules/ Edited November 2, 2022 by duz_ Readability Emperor Ming and The Pounder 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Size comparison of the Dorn seems to make it even more oddly proportioned for me? Really like the battle cannon improvement. But LOVE! the Baneblade upgrade! I guess I will have to build that second one The Pounder and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Rules updates are nice to see, I'm especially intrigued by the application of the turret weapon rule to chimeras and hellhounds. Size is about what I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Hellhounds are really gonna love that +1 to hit redmapa and OldWherewolf 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Now I want a Rogal Dorn even more! Also, a Shadowsword as the Baneblade variants have been given such a boost! Glad to see that all types of Guard Armour are having a niche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 10:06 AM, jarms48 said: No way it's that big. Turns out you were right - with the actual model being much closer to the Land Raider in size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said: Hellhounds are really gonna love that +1 to hit I presume it applies to Hellhound chassis vehicles, in which case the Devil Dog is going to be real mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tychobi Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Big tank meta incoming!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWarrior Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 hours ago, duz_ said: Size comparison of the Dorn seems to make it even more oddly proportioned for me? Really like the battle cannon improvement. But LOVE! the Baneblade upgrade! I guess I will have to build that second one BS4+ is a bit disappointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAntilles Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 52 minutes ago, ImperialWarrior said: BS4+ is a bit disappointing Turret weapon makes the main gun BS3+ though. Khornestar and duz_ 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWarrior Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, SteveAntilles said: Turret weapon makes the main gun BS3+ though. It makes it 4+ with a +1 to hit. you’d think the gunners of the most ancient, rare, and powerful tanks would have better trained than the standard tank gunners. Same would go for sponson gunners imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarms48 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Dezron said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/02/rogal-dorn-size-comparison-how-the-new-tank-matches-up-in-scale-and-rules/ These match the Mordian rumours 100%. Really hoping he's not right about only having custom traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWarrior Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Anyone want to speculate about the effect of the platoon keyword? im kinda thinking JOs in command squads will only be able to issue orders units with the keyword, and maybe confer an Ld benefit of some sort, or something along those lines anyway Edited November 2, 2022 by ImperialWarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 4 hours ago, ImperialWarrior said: BS4+ is a bit disappointing Yep They really hate sponsons Honestly, I would just make the guard bs3 at this point Being cheap has gone out the window with 65pt infantry squads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarms48 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 hours ago, ImperialWarrior said: Anyone want to speculate about the effect of the platoon keyword? im kinda thinking JOs in command squads will only be able to issue orders units with the keyword, and maybe confer an Ld benefit of some sort, or something along those lines anyway I'm pretty sure I heard that platoon is the new keyword for orders in general. ImperialWarrior 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWarrior Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, jarms48 said: I'm pretty sure I heard that platoon is the new keyword for orders in general. Don’t know how I’ll feel if only platoon units can receive orders. Anything not platoon will probably be effectively unused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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