TheNewman Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just curious what that match-up has looked like for other people and advice on what works well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Killmer Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Did you ask besause you got a game lined up? If yes did it happen? Anything interesting to share? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5879057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 I did have a game into them. It didn't go well, but if my experience with DG was representative they would have a 100% win rate in the tournament data. They don't, and that means the problem is with me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5884555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 what does your list look like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5891034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) ++ Super-Heavy Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Knights) [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Game Type: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim + Lord of War + Knight Abominant [22 PL, 430pts]: Coruscating Hate, House Herpetrax, The Storm Malevolent Knight Desecrator [22 PL, -1CP, 435pts]: Corrupted Heirlooms, House Herpetrax, Reaper chainsword, The Diamonas, Tzeentch - Pyrothrone, Winds of the Warp Knight Despoiler [24 PL, -1CP, 525pts]: Bow to None (Herpetrax), Character (Traitoris Lance), Daemonbreath thermal cannon, Despoiler gatling cannon and heavy darkflamer, Diabolus heavy stubber, House Herpetrax, Ruinspear rocket pod, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord War Dog Executioner Squadron [16 PL, 310pts]: House Herpetrax . War Dog Executioner: Diabolus heavy stubber . War Dog Executioner: Diabolus heavy stubber War Dog Stalker Squadron [16 PL, 300pts]: House Herpetrax . War Dog Stalker: Daemonbreath spear, Havoc multi-launcher, Slaughterclaw . War Dog Stalker: Avenger chaincannon, Havoc multi-launcher, Reaper chaintalon ++ Total: [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Edited December 13, 2022 by TheNewman Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5892108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 ...I thought I moved the Pyrothrone upgrade to the Despoiler since it needs to get closer to the enemy to function. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5892110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 If your enemy is fielding termies or any other model with 3 wounds, you'll love the battlecannon on your despoiler. If you feel that takes away too much of your "anti big stuff", swap the avenger chaincannon on the stalker for a demonbreath there. Or make it a huntsman with a hullmounted melta. My own knight list is very similar to yours in terms of units (I field a ravager rather than the desecrator, but can't speak to whether one or the other is better), and my wardogs have been the same loadout as yours - that said, I haven't been impressed by the chaincannon/talon build, as I think they are better at shooting the big stuff and meleeing the small stuff which makes the melta/sword loadout better, with the decision on whether to make them stalkers or huntsmen depending on whether the havoc or the hull melta compliments your list better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5892181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 1:36 AM, Dr_Ruminahui said: If your enemy is fielding termies or any other model with 3 wounds, you'll love the battlecannon on your despoiler. If you feel that takes away too much of your "anti big stuff", swap the avenger chaincannon on the stalker for a demonbreath there. Or make it a huntsman with a hullmounted melta. Unfortunately, while the Death Guard rock a lot of three wound models (Blighlords and Deathshroud), they have innate Damage resistance so only take 2 of the three damage, it's still useful for killing a plague marine for each failed save though (D3 becomes 2 is much more efficent than D2 becomes 1 on 2 wound models). Dr_Ruminahui 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5892779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 It is a very easy matchup for you. DG don't have the damage output which could table you, they earn VP from board control. And you can shut down their obsec in turn 4 and 5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5898022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/6/2023 at 9:09 PM, Tokugawa said: It is a very easy matchup for you. DG don't have the damage output which could table you, they earn VP from board control. And you can shut down their obsec in turn 4 and 5. I got tabled turn three. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5899636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggotlord Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/7/2023 at 3:09 AM, Tokugawa said: It is a very easy matchup for you. DG don't have the damage output which could table you, they earn VP from board control. And you can shut down their obsec in turn 4 and 5. My experience is: If they manage to deliver their Darkshroud Termies, then the sun will go down for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5899649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Conversely, I've been hammered twice by Chaos Knights, I don't see how they can lose against an army not specifically designed to counter them. Take the upgrade that stops your opponent rerolling against you and hitting on better than a 4+ on one big knight, then the 5++ FNP on the abominant, which is disgusting on a 28W model, and you have 2 really hard to deal with things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5920101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Well, from my experience they can definitely lose against an unoptimized list, provided that list can out score the chaos knights. I had a game where I tabled my friend's necrons (whose biggest weakness is lots of vehicles and D3 weapons) but still lost on victory points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5920324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Yea, I gave a quick battle report in my blog where I muse on how to beat them - outscoring is great if you have some non-interactive ones like the knights do, however BA don't have too many - I need to get into your DZ, into the middle, kill your models etc. I did make many misakes in that game and want a rematch! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5920491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquid Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I've played against Deathguard a couple of times with my knights, Never against Mortarian. I didn't find the match-up too bad. I forcused on killing big threats first (like myophic blight haulers with the meltaguns). The -1 damage isn't a big deal, as I'm either Damage 1, or 3+ damage. I run one desecrator and 10 wardogs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/376263-experiences-into-death-guard/#findComment-5921394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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