What do we need in 10:ed?

[darkseren1ty]

I really hope these automata are different enough from wardogs that warrants me taking them over a pair of brigands or huntsmen. 
 

[TheWarmaster]

What we need is for GW to go back to making squads in multiples of 5/10 etc. 

 

I haaaate these 3 man squads they’ve been doing more and more of! 
 

I’d also like to see more granular points and load outs like we used to have. No more ‘power levels’ where load outs didn’t affect cost etc. 
 

I miss the 3rd-6th edition golden era haha.

 

I’ve not enjoyed 40K anywhere near as much since like 7th. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Definitely.

 

I think Squads of 3 is very awkward. Wouldn't be surprised if it's GW's form of 'shrinkflation'. 

[Ahzek451]

The new t.sons bots are gorgeous...and....shameless plug...i called it! Lol

[Xenith]

I've split the discussion on the Sekhetar robots revealed at Adepticon into a separate topic - this is for general state of the faction discussion, while the amount of comments were worthy of it's own topic.

 

 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

So we're looking at the following datasheets most likely:

 

Ahriman 

Ahriman on Disc

Exalted Sorcerer

Exalted Sorcerer on Disc

Daemon Prince 

Daemon Prince with Wings

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour 

Infernal Master 

Magnus the Red and his most impressive nipple horns

Rubric Marines

Scarab Occult Terminators 

Tzaangors

Tzaangors on Discs

Flamers

Screamers

Pink Horrors

Blue Horrors

Lord of Change

Kairos Fateweaver

Chaos Rhino

Chaos Land Raider

Forgefiend or Maulerfiend 

Heldrake

New Robots

 

 

No reason why TS (and DG/WE for that matter) won't get the EC treatment so I think it's safe to say the Helbrute, Defiler, Vindicator, Predator, Cultists and generic Sorcerer will be gone along with one of the fiends.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the fancier Tzaangors on foot go.

 

The Mutalith is an interesting one. It is an AoS model at the end of the day and there seems to be a clear internal clash going on whereby scumbag accountants or middle managers don't want models shared. So I could see this being pulled. 

[Dr_Ruminahui]

I don't see you losing cultists unless you gain a replacement unit with sticky objectives.  So, if TS lose cultists, I would expect them either to get a new unit with that rule, or have a datasheet change on an existing unit to give it to them.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

That sounds like a job for Tzaangors or Rubrics. 

[Ahzek451]

Don't forget spawn. 

I'm not even sure what to speculate on until GW drops the # of datasheets for the codex. I think they didn't mention a number yet. The part that bugs me a bit, as daemons are confirmed to be an index this edition, and their fate as an army being very shakey in the future......I do wonder why GW doesn't bother throwing the rest in? I.e. heralds, characters, chariots. 

Edited April 3 by Ahzek451

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I wouldn't be surprised if long term GW want separate Daemon ranges for AoS and 40k. There is an incredibly idiotic and sociopathic obsession inside GW as regards shared units. We can see they are slowly but surely removing anything shared between systems and even between codexs (space marines aside).

 

However I think different Daemon ranges for 40k and AoS would actually be a good thing in theory. How Plaguebearers look in AoS could be very different to how they would look in 40k and it would open things up not only to unique aesthetics for each system but wargear and tactical roles. 

 

Honestly I think all the Daemons that don't get into the codexs will go to Legends in 11th for 40k. 

 

@Ahzek451 I'm always forgetting Spawn!

 

Good shout, they could get that role too. 

Edited April 3 by The Praetorian of Inwit

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Perhaps another reason could be that putting all the Daemon units makes things too difficult for the writers to balance things out, both internally and also externally as not all the Daemon ranges are equal in what's available.

 

Possibly as well they were worried that if TS and WE had more Daemon units than Legion units it would draw further criticisms over the lack of support for these factions. 

[Ahzek451]

1 hour ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

 

However I think different Daemon ranges for 40k and AoS would actually be a good thing in theory. How Plaguebearers look in AoS could be very different to how they would look in 40k and it would open things up not only to unique aesthetics for each system but wargear and tactical roles. 

 

Its funny you say that, I've always somewhat jokingly thought to myself that I wouldn't put it past GW to one day go the DOOM route and do cyberdaemon shenanigans. Something akin to soulgrinders as far as part machine/part daemon. But when it comes to that, your either a daemon contained in a mechanical shell (like maulerfiends/forgefiends/heldrakes/etc.) or your a daemon with cyber implants/add-ons. Obviously more the latter.

Edited April 3 by Ahzek451

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I think cyber-daemons could absolutely work. A real chance for AoS and 40k to give Daemons their own aesthetics and weapons. 

 

So, nothing all week and World Eaters were teased for Easter so it does look like TS will be the last of the four to see release. With how slowly GW roll out codexs I wouldn't be surprised if TS don't end up in peoples hands till June. 

 

I wonder in what way the Vehicle Detachment will actually help? Based on the WarCom article from several weeks ago I can see it mostly being of use to the new robots rather than the Rhino/Land Raider.  

[Archaeinox]

I think it is appropriate for me to comment here now after we see some precedents set by today's images of the DG and WE codexes. I don't think this fits into the 11th ed thing, I think it has to do with what might happen soon for us when we start getting our leaks and book. I'm really just connecting my observations of today to the design philosophy GW seems to have and might have given us in our upcoming Codex.

 

1. Berserkers are 10-20, but Plague Marines are 5-10. There was a rumor saying Rubrics are fixed at 10, but it wasn't substantial enough to be spread across the internetz and could have just been a troll. I personally would be 100% on board with fixed 10man unit, but 3/4 having minimum 5 model units for troops means we might retain the 5-10 option.

 

2. We saw EC get max unit size 5 Terminators. World Eaters have 5-10, Deathguard have 5-10. This could mean we keep our 10man Scarab option.

 

3. WE and DG kept Predators. It follows that we might. This is enough for me to at least assemble the predator I already have on sprue. 

 

4. All 3 other daemon-themed detachments follow the formula of 1000pts of Daemons in Strike Force. It makes sense that we will get that same wording.

 

5. EC and DG lost their Terminator Sorcerer. People have said we might lose ours, and that would be fine imo because I believe they will shift the Exalted and/or Ahriman to have the option to join them. Precedent being Lord Kakophonist who although he's T5, he is not in terminator armor. 2nd precedent is Calgar, who can join units which are not wearing his Gravis armor. 

 

6. I think we will see things like Warpflame Gargoyles return. If you remember this stratagem, it's basically mortal wound defense for stuff near a TSons vehicle. It would be something we can probably expect for a TSons vehicle-themed detachment.

 

I look forward to any leaks. Hopefully soon.

 

Arch 

 

 

[Ahzek451]

16 hours ago, Archaeinox said:

 

3. WE and DG kept Predators. It follows that we might. This is enough for me to at least assemble the predator I already have on sprue. 

 

5. EC and DG lost their Terminator Sorcerer. People have said we might lose ours, and that would be fine imo because I believe they will shift the Exalted and/or Ahriman to have the option to join them. Precedent being Lord Kakophonist who although he's T5, he is not in terminator armor. 2nd precedent is Calgar, who can join units which are not wearing his Gravis armor. 

 

Can't disagree, stands to reason what you listed. It wouldn't shock me to lose the terminator sorcerer. 

My only thoughts: Its a side-hobby within the hobby for many of us I am sure to try and decipher GW's patterns to try and predict the future. One I have been focusing on is what units/models are going to be phased out in the future. I would bet on your side that a lot of our vehicles will remain intact.....THIS edition. What happened to the E.C. does trouble me a touch. And anyone watching GW's methodology of the axing of older models is more of a random plucking vs. just ripping the band-aid off. So how is it the DG, WE, and TS retain so many of these vehicles (with a couple missing for each legion), but the EC did not? Being only able to use half of a kit also confuses the crap out of me (mauler/forge).

That being said, I do fear the days of the predator/vindicator/defiler are numbered. The humble rhino and land raider I consider in their own bracket being how iconic they are plus being the only transports. Unless a new models comes out, I don't expect these to go anywhere anytime soon. And the heldrake, mauler/forgefiend, and helbrute in another class as these models came out around the same time and are technically newer than the other tracked vehicles. I am not sure what GW has planned for these but my gutt says they may be facing an axing someday, at least for the god legions. 

My hope of hopes is GW puts out new kits for the tracked vehicles and exclusively gives them to chaos. It is clear that going forward, Space marines will have no use for the rhino/land raider/predator/etc. In my mind, a lot of the models mentioned are showing their age, either they get the axe, or an update. But if someone were to look for what is considered "Safe", it's as simple as any model that is 100% exclusively thousand sons. At least for a few years or more.