What do we need in 10:ed?

[Ahzek451]

14 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Also a Thousand Sons specific Transfer sheet with the Tzeentch Icon for the tabards included.

Brilliant. Asolutely 100% this. icons of the cults and whatnot as well. 

[Ahzek451]

With the rumors pointing to a game shake-up and another wave index-style army books, I'm not really worried about the rules at present. Models however...

It's a given that the vast majority of us want a range expansion. However, I think it would be cool, fittting, and efficient for GW to expand sales further with the new plastic horus heresy range and just push some of the horus heresy kits(predator, land raider, rhino, etc.) to chaos and make a chaos and god specific upgrade sprue you could purchase seperately to modify any chasis.  Since GW has decided to migrate space marines to the primaris side of things to help differentiate them from chaos marines, how cool would it be if they had their new fancy grav vehicles, and chaos marines kept rocking daemon engines and some of the old heresy-era vehicles? Keep pushing the devide between chaos and space marines. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

A new vehicle upgrade sprue would be awesome, and I think something they need to do now that most of the CSM range (including TS, DG and WE) has been redone.

Edited February 22, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[Indy Techwisp]

Last post here was in February, huh?

Well then.

Experience with 10th ed and looking at our still very small unit roster has lead to Tzeentch beaming some more ideas into my brain stem to share here:

 

Firstly, as always, Psyker Dreadnought.
Probably not as simple as "Plastic Contemptor-Osiron Dreadnought in 40k", but as long as it has a Force weapon and Inferno Guns so it can use our Strats it should be good.

 

Next, Cultist Character.

Probably a "Group Character" like the Dark Commune is, but more specifically Tzeentchan in nature. Currently there's no way to target Cultists with our main strats as they lack Inferno Weapons or a Sorcerer, so a "Ritualist Cabal" or something to give the unit Strat compatibility and generate some Cabal points from it would be useful.

 

Next, in sort of the same vein as the Psyker Dread "easy option", we have Stealing units from Horus Heresy.

How come only the Frontline Infantry and the Sekhmet got Rubric'd?

The Khenetai Occult and Ammitara Occult are both Infantry Units that fill a niche we currently don't have, so give them a Post-Rubric Redesign, a Name Change like the Scarab Occult Terminators got (Jackal Occult Marines and Ibis Occult Marines or something) plus a Sorc leading the squad and we've got our Melee Assault and Sniper Units.

Also, more of a long shot, but a Numerologist with some Psy-Arcana Automata Bodyguards as a Techmarine Character would be neat.

Just give them a more 40k Design and you're golden.

 

Other than that, IDK, an actual Dragon?
We know there's literal Dragons flying about on Magnus's new Sorcerer planet and if GW are Dead-Set on forcing half our Army to come from AoS Disciples of Tzeentch we might as well get a Sorcerer on a Psychic Dragon.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'd love another infantry kit of some kind, even if it isn't what we need. I really like how Thousand Sons infantry looks, the space marines of course. I don't mind the Tzaangors, but I want more real Thousand Sons kits.

 

A character riding a more Tzeencthian Heldrake would be awesome, evoking the Witch King somewhat, but that's on the crazier side of design.

Edited September 27, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[Indy Techwisp]

Another idea, more of a "General" CSM thing, but would include TSons in it would be Traitor Legion Upgrade Packs, like how the Loyalist Legions had their Legion specific upgrades (and primaris versions thereof).

So moulded Paldrons, unique helmets (and unhelmeted options where applicable), thematic gribbly bits for detail, "posed" arms with either alternative weapon designs or just Legion specific accessories.

That sort of thing.

For a TSons specific upgrade pack, probably we'd get new stave heads, unhelmeted heads for our Sorcerers, moulded Icon shoulder pads and a bunch of scrolls, bottles and esoterica for detailing.

Maybe we'd also get an arm that's casting a spell or holding that teleporting crystal that's been an Enhancement/Relic in every edition so far.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

For me the Thousand Sons range is pretty good and there are only three things I'd like to see added.

 

1) A dedicated Sorcerer in Terminator Armour to replace the generic one.

2) A Psyker Dreadnought of course. 

3) A Daemon Engine or two. 

[LSM]

Bringing in my reply to a post in the Index: Emperor's Children thread:

 

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Rubrics don't work in Dreads, hence why the TSons need to Poach Marines from other legions to make helbrutes.

As for Psyker Dreads, all the Sorcerers are still (mostly) flesh and blood, plus the Blood Angels have had a Psyker Dread for ages and they're notably not the most mentally stable legion.

So a TSons Psyker dread should be possible, even if we haven't seen one yet.

 

 

I think, conceptually, a Rubric Dreadnought could be a thing. If the Rubric of Ahriman can seal shut various types of armour, and they can still be operated by the spirit dust trapped within, it could be stretched to have done the same thing to the sarcophagus of a traditional Dreadnought.

 

A Helbrute, on the other hand, is a giant fleshy monstrosity bulging out of dreadnought-shaped armour. Model wise, it's impossible to "Rubric" - all that bio-mechanical meat is intrinsic to the sculpt, and at odds with the concept of a Rubric marine.

 

Agree that a psychic dread/helbrute is pretty natural; Blood Angels have precedent in 40k for such a thing, while the Osiron Pattern Dreadnought sets precedent for the Thousand Sons having used such in the past. Current lore states that, " no Sorcerer would stoop so low as to suffer internment in a Helbrute," but lore changes easily.

 

A Thousand Sons Psychic Helbrute would also be able to get wild and weird with a sculpt, setting it apart from both the current like-models, as well as the 30k model. It would be a good addition to a faction that needs good additions.

[Indy Techwisp]

8 minutes ago, LSM said:

Bringing in my reply to a post in the Index: Emperor's Children thread:

 

 

 

I think, conceptually, a Rubric Dreadnought could be a thing. If the Rubric of Ahriman can seal shut various types of armour, and they can still be operated by the spirit dust trapped within, it could be stretched to have done the same thing to the sarcophagus of a traditional Dreadnought.

 

A Helbrute, on the other hand, is a giant fleshy monstrosity bulging out of dreadnought-shaped armour. Model wise, it's impossible to "Rubric" - all that bio-mechanical meat is intrinsic to the sculpt, and at odds with the concept of a Rubric marine.

 

Agree that a psychic dread/helbrute is pretty natural; Blood Angels have precedent in 40k for such a thing, while the Osiron Pattern Dreadnought sets precedent for the Thousand Sons having used such in the past. Current lore states that, " no Sorcerer would stoop so low as to suffer internment in a Helbrute," but lore changes easily.

 

A Thousand Sons Psychic Helbrute would also be able to get wild and weird with a sculpt, setting it apart from both the current like-models, as well as the 30k model. It would be a good addition to a faction that needs good additions.

 

To be honest, something of a meme idea I've had for a while was a (very points heavy) 4-model Dread unit that's a fancied-up Contemptor Dread Sorc leading 3 Box-Naught "Dust Dreads".

 

The reason I'm pretty certain we won't get Rubric Dreads is because then they'd pretty much just be a non-fleshy Helbrute to replace the current one and GW seem content to keep rolling that old model around.

Edited April 30 by Indy Techwisp

[Ahzek451]

Anything is possible, and anything can be retconned more than once. In 3rd ed we had specific rules for rubric dreads and they existed. And then GW moved to a policy of no official model = no rules. The current fluff blurb of the t.sons. using helbrutes is GW's lazy way of including fleshy helbrute models to fill out a roster that would would have otherwise been rubric'd. But the first wave of models did not include a model and GW needed to fill a codex. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

A Psyker Dreadnought would be great as would a TS specific Daemon Engine (even better if it's a dual kit and we can make two different variants).  TS specific Cultists would be neat too. 

[Xenith]

On 4/30/2024 at 1:31 PM, LSM said:

I think, conceptually, a Rubric Dreadnought could be a thing.

 

Rubric dreads absolutely existed in 3rd ed - they had the immune to shaken and stunned rules. Just seen the comment was made above. 

 

Still think we need rubric havoc squads. We already have rubric 'support' squads, i.e. units with full flamers. 

[Ahzek451]

On 5/20/2024 at 3:27 AM, Xenith said:

 

Rubric dreads absolutely existed in 3rd ed - they had the immune to shaken and stunned rules. Just seen the comment was made above. 

 

Still think we need rubric havoc squads. We already have rubric 'support' squads, i.e. units with full flamers. 

I would like some rubric heavy weapon units, but it needs a certain....something to differentiate it from havocs. Planting them on discs is my initial thought but that doesn't feel right. Perhaps some sort of beefier armor (Without going the centurion route). Really emphasize that "slow and purposeful" feel with some oversized soul reaper cannons(or twin linked) and a new weapon option in the form of a 40k current Aether-fire weapon. 

[Indy Techwisp]

On 5/23/2024 at 10:33 PM, Ahzek451 said:

I would like some rubric heavy weapon units, but it needs a certain....something to differentiate it from havocs. Planting them on discs is my initial thought but that doesn't feel right. Perhaps some sort of beefier armor (Without going the centurion route). Really emphasize that "slow and purposeful" feel with some oversized soul reaper cannons(or twin linked) and a new weapon option in the form of a 40k current Aether-fire weapon. 

 

My personal issue with Rubric Havocs is that essentially every Rubric Squad has 1 Havoc hanging around with them already, carrying that Soulreaper.

 

A full Squad of Rubric Havocs would just be 4 Soulreapers and a Sorc leading them, right?

What other weapons to Havocs even use tho?

Missile Launcher Rubrics would be fun, so I can see them.

[Indy Techwisp]

Hello again!

Following up on some White Dwarf and Rumour Engine fuelled speculation.

 

Pretty simply, we're probably getting a Birdified version of this robo-guy:

 

With that in mind, and considering that this robot isn't a character (at least in HH 2.0), I feel the idea that TSons will be getting an actual wave of units rather than a one character release might be accurate.

Plus, since it seems to be a HH unit making the jump to 40k, it's possible that any other units in the hypothetical wave would also be stuff coming over from HH.

 

I'm personally putting forward the suggestion of Khenetai Occult Assault Rubrics once again, but also since we seem to be getting a vehicle in the wave we may also get a 40k version of the Numerologist (I know that since that is one of the HH units that you are expected to kitbash it's unlikely, but they are the TSons unique Techmarine and I find their vibes cool).

 

All this said, knowing GW we're gonna get a Tzaangor Dreadnaught and whatever new Tzaangors the Disciples of Tzeentch faction are getting in AoS 4th.

[MDops]

On 5/30/2024 at 3:14 AM, Indy Techwisp said:

 

My personal issue with Rubric Havocs is that essentially every Rubric Squad has 1 Havoc hanging around with them already, carrying that Soulreaper.

 

A full Squad of Rubric Havocs would just be 4 Soulreapers and a Sorc leading them, right?

What other weapons to Havocs even use tho?

Missile Launcher Rubrics would be fun, so I can see them.

That's conventional thinking.

 

What if the upgrades were spells to mimic some of the heavy weapons or to be able to do things the heavies can't and the rubrics were just there as Batteries for the sorc?

 

Thinking something along the lines of the Obliterators or mutaliths(?) weapon wise

Edited June 27 by MDops

[Indy Techwisp]

15 hours ago, MDops said:

That's conventional thinking.

 

What if the upgrades were spells to mimic some of the heavy weapons or to be able to do things the heavies can't and the rubrics were just there as Batteries for the sorc?

 

Thinking something along the lines of the Obliterators or mutaliths(?) weapon wise

 

A Rubric Havoc unit would 100% need the unit's Aspiring Sorc to not just have the generic Warpsmite and instead get something more fancy.

As for the Rubrics in the unit, they probably should still get the Heavy weapons normal Havocs get.

Either that or a selection more tailored to the TSons as an army (More Soulreapers, a Plasma option for the 4 Rubrics, that kind of stuff).

 

Regarding the Obliterators thing, I can see a TSons character having a Psychic weapon that functions like the Fleshmetal Guns or the Mutalith Warp Vortex but not a generic Sorc embedded in a unit.

 

On another note:

I know it's Heresy beyond belief to actually want imports from CSM, but can we get the Dark Commune and the Master of Possessions?

Both would really fit well in TSons and the Commune specifically would allow us to affect Cultist units with Strats.

[LSM]

The 40k'd Castellax-Achea being a strong possibility is super exciting.

 

Khenetai Occult Blade Cabals would be really cool. Poking around at their lore, they wouldn't be Rubric Marines, right? They were martial sorcerers, psychically linked and dual wielding Force Weapons? While I see that they were part of an "Order of the Jackal", their 30k models lean more into Scarab imagery... So if I were to do a 40k Khenetai, I'd lean into that too. Why dual wield psychic khopesh, when you can quad wield them in your four arms instead? And then give them jump packs with artsy scarab wings sticking out the side.

 

//

 

Another thought is what the new Combat Patrol would be like. So far, 10th edition updates seem to be going for "three units plus a hero" in format (though GSC doubled up on Hybrids). Rubric Marines, a Castellax, a 40k Numerologist, and some Tzaangors (for auld lang syne) would be pretty great.

[Indy Techwisp]

38 minutes ago, LSM said:

Khenetai Occult Blade Cabals would be really cool. Poking around at their lore, they wouldn't be Rubric Marines, right? They were martial sorcerers, psychically linked and dual wielding Force Weapons? While I see that they were part of an "Order of the Jackal", their 30k models lean more into Scarab imagery... So if I were to do a 40k Khenetai, I'd lean into that too. Why dual wield psychic khopesh, when you can quad wield them in your four arms instead? And then give them jump packs with artsy scarab wings sticking out the side.

 

All TSons were Psykers back in the Heresy days, but unless you were a notably strong Psyker you got dusted by the Rubric.

Khenetai Occult Blade Cabals in 40k would most likely therefore have become Rubrics, more specifically Rubrics retaining some Martial Skill, as we see the Sehkmet Terminator Cabal that were described as all being competent Psykers in 30k have still been dusted into Scarab Occult Terminators in 40k with only one Aspiring level sorc remaining.

 I can see their units Aspiring Sorc having a significantly more martial/melee vibe though.

I also doubt they'll get Jump Packs, simply because Khenetai didn't get them in 30k.

 

38 minutes ago, LSM said:

Another thought is what the new Combat Patrol would be like. So far, 10th edition updates seem to be going for "three units plus a hero" in format (though GSC doubled up on Hybrids). Rubric Marines, a Castellax, a 40k Numerologist, and some Tzaangors (for auld lang syne) would be pretty great.

 

Most combat patrols don't feature anything new that arrived in 10th, so we're limited to what we've got already.

As such, I feel that the best hope for a TSons Combat Patrol we have is an Infernal Master, 10 Rubrics 5 Scarabs and a unit of Tzaangor Enlightened/Skyfires.

 

That said, I wouldn't put it past GW to "Fix" our Combat Patrol by instead giving us a Tzaangor Shaman, 20 Tzaangors and a unit of Tzaangor Enlightened/Skyfires.

 

Y'know, because someone at GW is obsessed with Brayherd.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

A Psychic Dread is a must for Thousand Sons I feel. Whether it is a 40k version of the Osiron or a reimagining of the Rubric Dread. 

 

It would also be nice if TS got their own Cultists like the World Eaters did. 

 

Given the Death guard got three Daemon Engines I think the TS (and World Eaters) should at least get one. So bringing back the automata from 30k as a Daemon Engine of sorts would be very cool.

 

It would also be cool to see the generic Sorcerer in Terminator Armour replaced by something new and TS specific. A 40k version of a Master of Ruin or some such. 

[Indy Techwisp]

On 7/26/2024 at 7:58 PM, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

A Psychic Dread is a must for Thousand Sons I feel. Whether it is a 40k version of the Osiron or a reimagining of the Rubric Dread. 

 

It would also be nice if TS got their own Cultists like the World Eaters did. 

 

Given the Death guard got three Daemon Engines I think the TS (and World Eaters) should at least get one. So bringing back the automata from 30k as a Daemon Engine of sorts would be very cool.

 

It would also be cool to see the generic Sorcerer in Terminator Armour replaced by something new and TS specific. A 40k version of a Master of Ruin or some such. 

 

I think we'll either lose both the normal Sorc and Termie Sorc or keep both.
Tho I can see us getting a different Termie Sorc option as well.

 

GW seem to think that Tzaangors are our faction specific cultists, btw.

 

and WE already have a Daemon Engine: the Lord of Skulls

[Ahzek451]

Based on the last months WD article and 2 specific rumor engines, it seems we are guaranteed some daemon-infused, robotic, blackstone upgraded pre-heresy droids manipulated by magic to supplement our forces.  

I do not think these will be twisted versions of the castellax achea currently available in 30k. After a deep look into the rumor engines, based on the paint trimming size, I would put these bots somewhere around terminator size to vorax size. 

[Dr_Ruminahui]

On 7/27/2024 at 2:47 PM, Indy Techwisp said:

and WE already have a Daemon Engine: the Lord of Skulls

 

I misread that WE as in "us" rather than World Eaters and was very confused... 

Edited July 29 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, Dr_Ruminahui said:

 

I misread that WE as in "us" rather than World Eaters and was very confused... 

 

I hadn't noticed that WE didn't have a hover over saying "World Eaters", but of course "we" is also just a word so that makes sense.

[Indy Techwisp]

Judging by the stream that just happened, this may as well be our "What do we need in 11th ed" thread, since we're apparently releasing right at the end of this one (alongside the entire rest of the Chaos faction, apparently).