SadisticFurvy Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Hello bolter and chainsword! Apologies to mods for posting this in the wrong place, i couldnt find the army list section?? So the new codex has brought me out of a gaming hiatus, and I've a 2k game against some fast, shooty and stabby Eldar list tomorrow. My opponent is bringing his tournament list to a friendly game, Anyways, My love of an 8th edition triple heavy list now seems viable again, 3 baneblades with 75 bodies on the ground. Whats y'all thoughts on this, Can anyone see any other combos that I'm missing... 1990 points 0CPRegimental Doctrines- Armoured Superiority - Industrial Efficiency ++Super Heavy Detachment 6cp++Super Heavies 1325ptsBaneblade 450 Tank ace - Vaunted Praetorian (Gives the 'officer' keyword and allows me to order the other baneblades - ??As the above Baneblade is an 'officer', would the field promotion stratagem therefore allow me to give this Tank a warlord trait in the instance of my Warlord dying!?! Edit - i misread the rules! Baneblade 420Baneblade 455Tank ace - Knight of Piety ++Battalion Detachment 0cp+++Hq+ 125Suicidal Castellan - Warlord(for now)Command SquadFull load out+Troops+ 390pts-Infantry SquadVox, Lascannon & Plasma gun-Infantry SquadVox, Lascannon & Plasma gun-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns+Elites+ 150ptsTech priest Enginseer5 Man Scion squad Vox, Plasma Gun & Hot Volley Gun5 Man Scion squad Vox, Plasma Gun & Hot Volley Gun Over arching strategy with this list, plas/Las squads sit back on back field objectives, Shock Troops space out around the Command squad for orders. The Baneblades ride forward to clear any high priority targets with the 'Officer' in the centre to provide orders. (Tech priest babysitting the 'officer') Once priority targets are cleared, Shock Troops move to centre whilst baneblades keep rolling up the field. Scion drop in last moment to grab what they can where appropriate Edited December 16, 2022 by SadisticFurvy duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroitchi Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) Well here’s the thing, while you are correct in the way that you can “field Promote” a super heavy to a warlord. He doesn’t get a warlord trait because he is not eligible. If you read the field promote strat, the unit gets a warlord trait if eligible. A super heavy is not eligible because it lacks the character keyword. Lastly I’d rather field lord Solar because he gives orders to super heavies too. Lol Edited December 16, 2022 by Hiroitchi SadisticFurvy 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadisticFurvy Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 Thanks Hiroitchi, I misread that due to a poor pdf, then the guy in GW store read it and agreed, then i got excited :) Have ordered Yarrick on Horseback to act as my Lord Solar, until then, I'm using what I've got. Still though, 3 baneblades should prove a challenge against the Eldar, my opponent is expecting an infantry heavy list and has tailored his list for it. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroitchi Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Fun fact… it can order itself because itself is a Super heavy lol. Loop hole. I run Super heavy lists all the time, just know that terrain will play a key role in how effective your fight is going to be. Your super heavies will not get advantages to cover and you will always gain the disadvantages of terrain where your opponent can target you with true los while you can’t. Are you playing nephilim or tempest of war? It’s important because it’s a difference of 6 CP. Lastly the key thing here is pivoting will count as movement and you measure movement from the farthest point of the model. You will be moving slow and maneuvering around terrain will be a challenge. Since you are running 3 baneblades pound em to the dust is your bread and butter and imho I love Born Soldiers. Oh and Baneblades get a pseudo objective secure because of its sheer size. You obsec unit can’t secure it if they can’t touch it. Your baneblade points are off. They are at base 430pts and at this time before it gets fully clarified will cost 20th per sponson. So it’s 470pts per Baneblade. Better play it safe then get used to having it. Baneblades no longer get the rule to fall back and charge, but since they’re titanic you can still fallback and shoot. so I’d run it like this Super Heavy Combine Arms -Patrol Detachment 0CP HQ- Lord Solar Leontus (170pts) - Warlord Cadian Command Squad (135pts) - Ogryn Bodyguard /w Bullgryns plate - 1x Powerfist Troops- 2x Death Korps of Krieg (160pts) - 1x Vox Caster - 1x Plasma Gun - 2x Plasma Pistol - 2x Powers swords - 2x Medics -Super Heavy Detachment 6CP Baneblade (500pts) - 2x Sponsons - Tank Ace: Vaulted Praetorian Baneblade (505pts) - 2x Sponsons - Tank Ace: Knight of Piety Baneblade (510pts) - 2x Sponsons - Tank Ace: Meticulous Calibrator but what do I know haha take it with a grain of salt. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I brought a Shadowsword to a weekender recently and it worked pretty well. Killed targets left, right and center and only died once after my opponent put most of his guns into it for three turns. There's probably more efficient ways to spend 520p, but it was pretty fun to use. Competitively, the size and resulting lack of maneuverability for objetice control and LoS are your biggest issues. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadisticFurvy Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 Thanks for pointing out the mistake in points, have re-jigged my list to better fit. I dont have extra sponsons to add on, nor a model to act as Lord Solar as yet. As ive got 20pts spare i'm considering shaving an infantry squad off to allow for another tank ace and the enginseer 1980 points 0CPRegimental Doctrines- Armoured Superiority - Industrial Efficiency ++Super Heavy Detachment 6cp++Super Heavies Baneblade 430 Tank ace - Vaunted Praetorian 30 Baneblade 430Baneblade 430Tank ace - Knight of Piety 35 1355 ++Battalion Detachment 0cp+++Hq+ 125Castellan - WarlordCommand Squad+Troops+ 390pts-Infantry SquadVox, Lascannon & Plasma gun-Infantry SquadVox, Lascannon & Plasma gun-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns-Shock TroopsVox & 2 Plasma guns+Elites+ 110pts5 Man Scion squad Vox, Plasma Gun & Hot Volley Gun5 Man Scion squad Vox, Plasma Gun & Hot Volley Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroitchi Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Yeah, however 1 set of sponsons is mandatory now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadisticFurvy Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) The mandatory Sponsons are included in the base points cost of the baneblade from my understanding of the wording in the codex, so this is accounted for. Though this said, ive been wrong several times in this thread :) Which is also why im here, to get a better understanding of what im doing. Edited December 16, 2022 by SadisticFurvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroitchi Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) I know warcom said Included and a few other have said but RAW in the book it doesn’t have the words additional in the points section which means you have to pay for the mandatory sponsons in the datasheet. I’ve been told that a rule of thumb goes if it has points then you have to pay for it. Notice other dataslates like the Rogal dorn has Additional heavy stubbers so the first heavy stubber is free. Then you also have infantry squads that don’t have points for heavy weapons and the like but you have options to equip them, well those are free. Until clarified by GW play it safe and pay the points. oh and also to point it out. For shock troops, until clarified by GW non English codex has the phrase special weapons limited to one per type while the English one has limit two. It begs to question which is right and some of the concern is whether which one to follow. In my local group is it’s legal till FAQ’d and it will get FAQ’d so enjoy the 2 plasma guns per shock trooper squad while you have it. Edited December 16, 2022 by Hiroitchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Yeah, if the points section shows a value, you have to pay for it. WarCom has a history of getting things wrong in their previews. The Dorn actually makes that a bit inconsistent, don't thing I'be seen costs for "additional" anythings anywhere else. And generally the English version would be considered the reference version. So two of the same is legal unless it'll get FAQd. Hiroitchi 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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