Brutal

[Valkyrion]

I think I've doing Brutal wrong.

If a Contemptor Dreadnought with a Gravis Power Fist hits a tactical squad 3 times how many models can die?

[Lord Marshal]

Three, because excess wounds from Brutal don't spill over. 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Lord Marshal

[Valkyrion]

I owe an opponent 6 marines then....

I think I just got so caught up in the internet proclaiming how good Contemptors are that I figured only removing 3 tactical marine hardly qualifies as being super powerful so it must be that 9 failed saves is 9 removed models because they only have 1 wound each so there is no excess to waste. 

 

What a silly sausage.

[Xenith]

It's like damage in 40k - one model receives the wounding hit, then has to receive the damage from the attack (40k) or make 3 saves (heresy).

 

Brutal 3 is very good as it means you're very likely to get through a 4+ invulnerable, or 3+ in the case of fists and sallies. 

 

It basically means that each wound from a dread fist is probably a dead model, regardless of whether you're a tactical marine or legin elite. 

[Spagunk]

Brutal 3 just means you're also pasting terminators and veterans along with regular joes. It less about quantity and more about quality. The issue being that units likely to get wounds on a dreadnought are less likely to get attacks in before the dread does (PFist, THammers etc.).

 

[Orange Knight]

On 12/17/2022 at 1:33 PM, Valkyrion said:

I owe an opponent 6 marines then....

I think I just got so caught up in the internet proclaiming how good Contemptors are that I figured only removing 3 tactical marine hardly qualifies as being super powerful so it must be that 9 failed saves is 9 removed models because they only have 1 wound each so there is no excess to waste. 

 

What a silly sausage.

 

For this reason it's better to keep the Contemptor away from larger squads. 10 Tactical Marines could potentially stall the Dreadnough for 3 - 4 turns in combat.

 

Having Brutal, however, means that the Contemptor is extra effective at crushing vehicles and individual models that are powerful.

[arnesh88]

@Orange Knight

 

I don't know if you meant that a contemptor with a fist is flexible enough to both break through vehicles and the brutal allowing it to be good vs non-vehicle models, or if you are saying that Brutal applies to armour pen rolls, because Brutal doesn't affect such rolls. I just wanted to clarify for other people.

[Vostroi]

Can non instant death brutal attacks cause more than one wound on a multiwound model per attack? 

 

[MARK0SIAN]

42 minutes ago, Vostroi said:

Can non instant death brutal attacks cause more than one wound on a multiwound model per attack? 

 

Yes. The model will lose a wound for each save it fails (or if the attack goes through the save).

 

So if a model was hit and wounded with a brutal 3 attack they could lose 3 wounds if they fail all three subsequent saves.

[Valkyrion]

Yes, excess wounds are lost. Brutal 3 can kill a 3 wound model with non instant death attacks assuming failed/no saves.  It can also only kill one 1 wound model with the same Brutal 3 attack. That was my brain fart in the first post!