Balance Datalsate Leaks (and implications)

[Emperor Ming]

Well yes

5 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

The removal of AoC I just realized makes a lot of our weapons sooo much better.

 

my autocannon love and leaning into multilasers i feel will now really pay off against marines.

Also against marines the malleus launcher now out shines the bombast even more.

Well yes, but

 

Lets not get carried away

 

They are still are horrifically overcosted

 

and lack any keywords to make them useful, like infantry or core

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

24 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Well yes

Well yes, but

 

Lets not get carried away

 

They are still are horrifically overcosted

 

and lack any keywords to make them useful, like infantry or core

Yeah they are overcosted, but that only really matters if you’re trying to min/max for a tournament.

 

if you’re just trying to play and have a fun game theyre not that over costed.

[Shamansky]

13 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

how do you know the translations were wrong exactly?

 

On 1/9/2023 at 1:55 AM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

but people have reported that in other languages it says one of each special weapon.

It looks like you've said that, isn't it? ;)

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Does anyone have any weapons they’ll be bringing back to the game now that AoC is gone?

[sairence]

Standard Battlecannons on my tanks are something I'm looking at again. Same S8, 3D as the overcharged Executioner, but trades the AP4 for no getting hot and should be able to act without extra support more consistently. And AP2 is a lot less feels bad again.

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by sairence
Forgot something

[Shamansky]

With the indirect shooting nerf of mortars most likely infantry heavy bolters and autocannons will come back to tables.

[jarms48]

AP-1 and AP-2 weapons will have some more play again, which is nice. 

 

The Punisher for example goes from killing 1.48 marines to 2.22 marines. Obviously it's not suppose to excel against those targets, but it does make the Punisher a bit more viable and well rounded compared to before. To put it a different way the Punisher is about as effective as a Battle Tank against MEQ's now. 

 

Heavy bolters are fairly viable again. 3 heavy bolters on a Russ will kill 1 marine on average, basically paying for themselves in a single turn. 15 points for 3 HB compared to 18 for a Tactical or Intercessor Marine. Which isn't too bad. 

 

Gatling Taurox Prime is better. It goes from 0.67 marines to 1 on average. If you add on the HSVG's you get another 0.67 to 1.33 dead marines depending on RF range. So best case scenario you're killing 2.33 MEQ's if you're within 12 inch.

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by jarms48

[Shamansky]

35 minutes ago, jarms48 said:

Gatling Taurox Prime is better. It goes from 0.67 marines to 1 on average. If you add on the HSVG's you get another 0.67 to 1.33 dead marines depending on RF range. So best case scenario you're killing 2.33 MEQ's if you're within 12 inch.

Looks like gatling-volley-stormbolter Taurox Prime got viable again. Good, because i would not like to reassemble them

[jarms48]

11 minutes ago, Shamansky said:

Looks like gatling-volley-stormbolter Taurox Prime got viable again. Good, because i would not like to reassemble them

 

Statistically krak missile Prime kills the same amount of MEQ's, but it's a trade-off. Gatling will do more against anything weaker than a MEQ. Krak will do more against anything better than a MEQ. Gatling is also less swingy due to volume as well. 

 

For 105 points, I wouldn't bother with a storm bolter these days, you have to kill 6 marines to make your points back. Which will take about 2.5 turns to do.

Edited January 12, 2023 by jarms48

[Shamansky]

1 hour ago, jarms48 said:

For 105 points, I wouldn't bother with a storm bolter these days, you have to kill 6 marines to make your points back. Which will take about 2.5 turns to do.

Well it is still an IFV whose main role is to support infantry, not be DA KILLMASTER on its' own.

[Emperor Ming]

11 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Does anyone have any weapons they’ll be bringing back to the game now that AoC is gone?

Heavy bolter Sponsons I guess, at least ap1 weapons have value again