Evil Eye Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 These are fantastic looking sculpts. No silly extra details or redesigns, just good, proper Terminators in a better scale. Top marks GW, you did good there. Also glad they decided they can be Firstborn or Primaris; it means both sides are pleased and also gives credence to the theory they're doing away with the tabletop distinction between the two "breeds" of Marine. I hope. Now let's hope they do the same with their power-armoured brethren so we can have Mk. VII armour in the better scale and it can be handwaved as "Marines can wear either mark of armour"! (Also I might need to order a box of the old ones for my Middlehammer Marines project, as they're all in the old scale!) phandaal, WARMASTER_, Daylight and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, appiah4 said: They look like filler characters to me. It's almost definitely a squad of 3 terminators, and I'm betting the new box will also be 3 models with the excuse being "because they now have a lot more options on the sprue" due to assault/tactical being combined. So you will have to buy 2 boxes of 3 to get a 5 man squad and end up with an extra terminator. To all who say they would never do that: Plague Marines people. This way they will be more precious to us. painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eptesicus Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) Love them. Exactly what i wanted for my Primaris army and I'm glad i resisted the urge to buy the current kits. I do think these will look too big for first born armies though, so i wonder if they will keep the existing smaller Terminator kits going for scale comparison. Edited March 23, 2023 by Eptesicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xirix Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I'm not sure why people are thinking these will be 3 in a box, it would be madness to take a boxset of an existing size and then replace it with less models. I'm under the impression this is just a sneak peak preview and we'll see the rest of the sculpts closer to 10th edition, just because they only showed two here and there weren't five in the cinematic doesn't necessarily mean anything. I get a lot of the newer bigger things come in 3 as has been pointed out, but those units didn't actually replace anything that existed. I know GW make some bizarre decisions sometimes, but there's no way they're stupid enough to not have at least what's in the current termie box. BLACK BLΠFLY, LittlePlasticHomies and darkangels91 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Eptesicus said: Love them. Exactly what i wanted for my Primaris army and I'm glad i resisted the urge to buy the current kits. I do think these will look too big for first born armies though, so i wonder if they will keep those kits going for scale comparison. Well, given that these can specifically be used by all Astartes, there is zero reason from this particular release to believe that GW is going to just bin an entire line of models they still produce - maybe folks should just sit back and stop speculating, we’ll know when the classic Astartes line is going away/gone. At this point, it looks like they have at least this Edition as a continuation of use - we’ll know if that holds true upon release. If people really do have an issue with a scale discrepancy against older models though, they can just keep using the older Terminators (unless GW introduces a rule in the new edition that states you must use the absolutely most recent production of models of a certain unit, or you can’t use them in the game), or use Horus Heresy scaled Marines alongside these new ones. You could even use the old Terminators alongside Primaris models or Horus Heresy Marines properly equipped going forward, if you wanted to, you aren’t even required to buy these new models if you don’t like the looks of them. Edited March 23, 2023 by Bryan Blaire Oxydo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Going by the video seems a little up in the air. The Indomitus video back in 9th had ad hoc squads too. I don't think GW would go to all the effort to make these guys such faithful renditions of Terminators yet change their squad size arbitrarily. Could be wrong, but I'm leaning no; they'll be 5 strong. BLACK BLΠFLY, LittlePlasticHomies and HolyPestilience 1 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Hmm... I have an idea. Spins around widdershins and call his name three times. Valrak, Valrak, Valrak! Ahem. @Chapter Master Valrak Any idea how many Terminator minis in the new starter box? Orange Knight, WrathOfTheLion, Borky and 4 others 5 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Commander Ajax Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I’m assuming we will get Captain, Librarian and Chaplain models in Terminator armour. I wonder if we will end up getting Techmarine and Apothecary variants too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kallas said: The ankle nodule replaced the older wire, but it is the same design as the knee joint nodule. That is, it's not actually Primaris-ified, it is all classic design. Good point. When I look at the classic Abaddon model: I see servos at the bottom of the shin armour, and "pipes" instead of "ridges" on the thighs- very like those on the new models. Edited March 23, 2023 by Iron Lord Aarik, painting.for.my.sanity and Kallas 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodhrin Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 The only thing I can find to nitpick about these is the stormbolter, which is a bit big IMO(and easily fixed by just using the older ones, or printing), otherwise this is pretty much the best thing a Primaris-disliker could hope for from a classic kit redo; scale & proportions fixed, details similar to old design, no egregious Cawlification. I really do hope they don't cut it to 3 in a box though, they aren't that much bigger than the nuCSM Terminators and 8 quid a model at 5-for-40 is already approaching daylight robbery. Master Commander Ajax, CaptainFrederickson and Kallas 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I'm surprised that the new stormbolter doesn't have the ubiquitous "primaris cylinder" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionary Pallas Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) I was inspired. Edited March 23, 2023 by Legionary Pallas Marshal Reinhard, Ramell, SteveAntilles and 29 others 7 13 11 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eptesicus Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bryan Blaire said: Well, given that these can specifically be used by all Astartes, there is zero reason from this particular release to believe that GW is going to just bin an entire line of models they still produce - maybe folks should just sit back and stop speculating, we’ll know when the classic Astartes line is going away/gone. At this point, it looks like they have at least this Edition as a continuation of use - we’ll know if that holds true upon release. If people really do have an issue with a scale discrepancy against older models though, they can just keep using the older Terminators (unless GW introduces a rule in the new edition that states you must use the absolutely most recent production of models of a certain unit, or you can’t use them in the game), or use Horus Heresy scaled Marines alongside these new ones. You could even use the old Terminators alongside Primaris models or Horus Heresy Marines properly equipped going forward, if you wanted to, you aren’t even required to buy these new models if you don’t like the looks of them. i should have clarified (have changed it now), that i meant the existing terminator kits (ie i wonder if they will keep the smaller terminator kits in production as well for first born armies). I realise they have said these could be first born or primaris, but i think the new models might look too big against a tactical marine, and the old kits look too small compared to a Primaris marine. Hence why i hope they keep both kits in production. Edited March 23, 2023 by Eptesicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Kallas said: Man, can we just enjoy that everyone gets a win with these Terminators. They're updated to a better scale and proportion while being completely faithful to the Indomitus aesthetic. Firstborn can use them, Primaris can use them, everybody gets to play with the new toys, no matter their preferences. It's a win. This is what it should have been from the start, the division is exhausting and should never have happened in the first place - so let's at least enjoy that Terminators are for everyone. Primaris don't lose out because they made them Firstborn only, and Firstborn don't lose out by having it taken away. You say this, but has anyone checked on @BLACK BLΠFLY? MithrilForge, Blindhamster, Robbienw and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 These are just fantastic! A perfect update… I’m really excited to get my hands on these and I’m especially excited to see the MP kit I’m eternally grateful these aren’t some Cawl “Primaris” iteration of Terminator armour! That said allowing Primaris to use the suits in lore was definitely the best business decision for the company as everyone can buy them now Well done GW! Master Commander Ajax 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eptesicus said: i should have clarified (have changed it now), that i meant the existing terminator kits (ie i wonder if they will keep the smaller terminator kits in production as well for first born armies). I realise they have said these could be first born or primaris, but i think the new models might look too big against a tactical marine, and the old kits look too small compared to a Primaris marine. Hence why i hope they keep both kits in production. They 1000% won’t keep the old generic Terminator kits in production, they will however keep the chapter specific variants DW BA etc Scale wise, Terminators are supposed to be huge next to their Power Armoured brethren so next to the newer HH FB kits they’re appropriately scaled. For the older FB kits it’s a bit rough but we all know they’re way to small anyway so I can’t see the issue of them looking tiny! As they look to small compared to almost everything these days anyway Edited March 23, 2023 by WARMASTER_ Oxydo, Captain Idaho, Bryan Blaire and 2 others 4 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Uncle Mel said: I am just very happy both firstborn and primaris use the same armor. Sharing is caring! Imagine if that translates to all SM unit's armour and weapons. Bryan Blaire and Master Commander Ajax 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said: Imagine if that translates to all SM unit's armour and weapons. And vehicles. Bryan Blaire 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, WARMASTER_ said: They 1000% won’t keep the old generic Terminator kits in production, they will however keep the chapter specific variants DW BA etc Scale wise, Terminators are supposed to be huge next to their Power Armoured brethren so next to the newer HH FB kits they’re appropriately scaled. For the older FB kits it’s a bit rough but we all know they’re way to small anyway so I can’t see the issue of them looking tiny! As they look to small compared to almost everything these days anyway Yeah this is what springs to my mind regarding scale: Definitely supposed to be much bigger. MithrilForge, Aarik, Interrogator Stobz and 2 others 3 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Perfection. And while it seems that Cawl couldn't add to terminators it seems he did some work on the assault cannon since it features... The Cylinder Interrogator Stobz 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 And finally it was revealed that sticking an assault cannon cylinder on any weapons make them better Bryan Blaire 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Wow primaris Terminators. I will certainly be buying a few of these firstborn terminators kits. Glad they kept the indomitus look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Operative Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Primaris can go in the Terminator armor, perfect for my Ultima Founding Chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 These are great, but I'm a little bit worried how my CSM terminators are going to look next to them scale-wise. These seem like they're a lot bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Lysimachus said: Hmm... I have an idea. Spins around widdershins and call his name three times. Valrak, Valrak, Valrak! Ahem. @Chapter Master Valrak Any idea how many Terminator minis in the new starter box? About to talk about this on my stream now, bring 10 memberships and I will answer what you need caladancid, Kastor Krieg, Warden-Paints and 3 others 1 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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