Gamiel Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 As the title say: when and in what publication was jarl first used as Space Wolf title? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 First time I saw it was in Ragnar's Claw by William King, (I think). Ragnar uses it to thank Wolf Lord Berek Thunderfist for a bracelet, in repayment for quick thinking. Gamiel 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/#findComment-5938277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 3:20 PM, Mazer Rackham said: First time I saw it was in Ragnar's Claw by William King, (I think). Ragnar uses it to thank Wolf Lord Berek Thunderfist for a bracelet, in repayment for quick thinking. Was going to say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/#findComment-5938803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dees Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Does jarl mean Chief or Lord? I think it does in old Scandinavian, but I never though of it in SW terms. Mazer Rackham 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/#findComment-5939267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) In the very same sentence as Ragnar calls Berek Jarl, King then states the title means 'ring giver'. Don't know if this is also the Scandinavian root, or just something the Wolves use. Edited April 24, 2023 by Mazer Rackham dees 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/#findComment-5939272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamiel Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, dees said: Does jarl mean Chief or Lord? I think it does in old Scandinavian, but I never though of it in SW terms. In swedish it a title for a lord's highest official, or somebody ruling an important area in the name of the lord (more or less). I'm not certain how it work in Denmark or Norway, but what I have seen so do GW, and lots of other English speaking creators, use it as a synonym with king or Lord when they want something to sound Nordic-/viking-ish. Have appeared here and there from time to time in SW works. Edited April 25, 2023 by Gamiel dees 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/#findComment-5939380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamiel Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 Follow question, I have read a claim that in-'verse is 'Wolf Lord' a mistranslation of 'jarl' - which I find strange since it would easier be translated into just lord, or the closest english noble title 'earl', but I can see it since GW seems to try to turn the SW from their original barbarian culturs/concepts mishmash into just vikings - and I was wondering if anybody know where this was first mentioned? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/#findComment-5990279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Maybe not the first mentions of it, but the title is used for the 30K Wolves, along with Thegn for pack leader. I think it is used in A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns, Wolfsbane and in the HH7 book Inferno. Also used in short stories, such as Wolf at the door from Tales of Heresy, Book 31 Legacies of betrayal amongst others Its likely Jarl was used in the earlier Space Wolves works by Black Library, and Forge World used it as a link between the Wolves that were and the Wolves that are. Gamiel 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/378401-when-and-in-what-was-jarl-first-used-as-space-wolf-title/#findComment-5993409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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