tagsta Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) /EDIT - scroll down to see updated list Hi, I am trying to make a balanced (not too crazy punchy list) for ZM. Is the below too tough? Feedback welcome. - Stone Gauntlet so Phalanx Warder gain Line & can score - Tartaros Delegatus to gain Warlord Trait (which one?) - Tartaros Command Squad (rather than individual squad) so the unit gains Line & can score - Tartaros Squad uses combi plasma for extra punch - Should I remove some wargear to add vexillas? ++ Mortalis Assault Force Organisation Chart (LA - VII: Imperial Fists) [1,250Pts] ++ + Allegiance: + VII: Imperial Fists Allegiance: Loyalist + Rite of War: + Rite of War: The Stone Gauntlet (IF) + HQ: + Centurion, Tartaros [335Pts]: Warlord . Command Squad, Tartaros . . Tartaros Chosen . . . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Chosen . . . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Chosen . . . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Chosen . . . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Standard Bearer w/Melee Weapon . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . Delegatus: Solarite Power Gauntlet . . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun . Delegatus + Elites: + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [195Pts] . Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Meltagun + Troops: + Breacher Squad [260Pts] . Legion Breacher Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Solarite Power Gauntlet . 9x Breachers (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter . Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Meltagun . Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Meltagun . Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Bolter Phalanx Warder Squad [310Pts] . 9x Phalanx Warder: 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter, 9x Power Axe . Phalanx Warder w/Special Weapon (1 in 5): Plasma Gun . Phalanx Warder w/Special Weapon (1 in 5): Plasma Gun . Warder Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Solarite Power Gauntlet + Heavy Support: + Heavy Support Squad [150Pts]: Iliastus Assault Cannon . Legion Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour . 4x Legionaries (collective): 4x Bolt Pistol ++ Total: [1,250Pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Edited April 27, 2023 by tagsta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickSamos Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) Please tidy it up as Battlescribe export is not well formatted. I literally don't know how many Marines are in your Breacher and Phalanx Squads and I'm not being pedantic. Edit: this isn't an attack against you more that GW hasn't got a proper list builder with export function Edited April 26, 2023 by SlickSamos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Your list looks fine. I'd play it for sure. Dropping a few special weapons and taking a few vex on your troops would help, I agree there SlickSamos and Spagunk 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickSamos Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Also consider: A Storm Shield upgrade on one of the Command Squad as well as one for the Delegatus/Praetor A Thunder Hammer on one of the Command Squad A Tartaros Praetor is only 10 pts more than the Delegatus version, which is a decent upgrade Mixing up the mêlée weapons on the Command Squad Alternatively consider running a Command Squad with Boarding Shields instead of the Tartaros Squad for the Stone Gauntlet bonus rules I hope this was more helpful than my earlier grumpy post-dentist reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagsta Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 13 hours ago, SlickSamos said: Please tidy it up as Battlescribe export is not well formatted. I literally don't know how many Marines are in your Breacher and Phalanx Squads and I'm not being pedantic. Edit: this isn't an attack against you more that GW hasn't got a proper list builder with export function hey sure thing - please see below 12 hours ago, Brofist said: Your list looks fine. I'd play it for sure. Dropping a few special weapons and taking a few vex on your troops would help, I agree there thanks for feedback 11 hours ago, SlickSamos said: Also consider: A Storm Shield upgrade on one of the Command Squad as well as one for the Delegatus/Praetor A Thunder Hammer on one of the Command Squad A Tartaros Praetor is only 10 pts more than the Delegatus version, which is a decent upgrade Mixing up the mêlée weapons on the Command Squad Alternatively consider running a Command Squad with Boarding Shields instead of the Tartaros Squad for the Stone Gauntlet bonus rules I hope this was more helpful than my earlier grumpy post-dentist reply hey mate, thanks a lot for the useful comment and it didn't come across as grumpy! quick feedback: I don't wanna do the tartaros & shield option to not spam the IF punchiness and make the list even harder and I don't like the look of the shields however your comment reg praetor is genius so I have swapped out for Tartaros Praetor with Paragon blade and shield and have taken off 2x combi weapons. maybe I scrap off 1-2 phalanx warders and then use the spare points to equip the guy with the banner with a thunder hammer and the two chosen with combi weapons... sounds good? I have also added vexillas to the squads... 2x more questions - - What Warlord trait should I take? - Does the IF special rule (hitting on 2+) also affect the combi weapon? in other words the inbuilt plasma hits at lower ballistic skill cause it's not a projectile weapon? ++ Mortalis Assault Force Organisation Chart (LA - VII: Imperial Fists) [1,250Pts] ++ + Expanded Army Lists + Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On + Allegiance: + VII: Imperial Fists Allegiance: Loyalist + Rite of War: + Rite of War: The Stone Gauntlet (IF) + HQ: [330Pts] + Praetor, Tartaros [330Pts]: Warden of Inwit, Warlord .. Legion Tartaros Praetor [140Pts]: Grenade Harness [5Pts], Master of the Legion, Paragon Blade [15Pts], Tartaros Terminator Armour, Vigil Storm Shield [10Pts] 5 man - Command Squad, Tartaros [190Pts] . . Tartaros Chosen [40Pts] . . . Magna Combi-Weapon [10Pts]: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Chosen [40Pts] . . . Magna Combi-Weapon [10Pts]: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Chosen [30Pts]: Combi-Bolter . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Chosen [30Pts]: Combi-Bolter . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . . Tartaros Standard Bearer w/Melee Weapon: Legion Standard . . . Power Weapon: Power Sword + Elites: [195Pts] + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [195Pts] . Contemptor Dreadnought [195Pts]: Atomantic Deflector, Gravis Melta Cannon [5Pts], Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Meltagun [15Pts] + Troops: [575Pts] + 13 man - Breacher Squad [260Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour . Legion Breacher Sergeant [40Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour, Solarite Power Gauntlet [20Pts] . 9x Breachers (collective) [135Pts]: 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter . Breacher w/ Options [30Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Meltagun [15Pts] . Breacher w/ Options [30Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Meltagun [15Pts] . Breacher w/ Options [25Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla [10Pts] 12 man - Phalanx Warder Squad [315Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Legion Vexilla [15Pts], Power Armour . 9x Phalanx Warder [180Pts]: 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter, 9x Power Axe . Phalanx Warder w/Special Weapon (1 in 5) [30Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun [10Pts], Power Axe . Phalanx Warder w/Special Weapon (1 in 5) [30Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun [10Pts], Power Axe . Warder Sergeant [15Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Solarite Power Gauntlet [15Pts] + Heavy Support: [150Pts] + 5 man - Heavy Support Squad [150Pts]: Frag Grenades, Iliastus Assault Cannon [50Pts], Krak Grenades, Power Armour . Legion Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour . 4x Legionaries (collective) [60Pts]: 4x Bolt Pistol ++ Total: [1,250Pts] ++ SlickSamos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxjtmxxx Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 for stone gauntlet you need 2 squads of wardens i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickSamos Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 3 hours ago, tagsta said: 2x more questions - - What Warlord trait should I take? - Does the IF special rule (hitting on 2+) also affect the combi weapon? in other words the inbuilt plasma hits at lower ballistic skill cause it's not a projectile weapon? Consider Solar Marshal or Stoic Defender as the Warlord Trait and I believe you are spot on with how the Combi-Plasmas work. 38 minutes ago, xxxjtmxxx said: for stone gauntlet you need 2 squads of wardens i think I believe that as the ZM FOC has only one Compulsory Troops slot, OP is correct that they only need one Phalanx Warder Squad, but I'm not sure? 3 hours ago, tagsta said: maybe I scrap off 1-2 phalanx warders and then use the spare points to equip the guy with the banner with a thunder hammer and the two chosen with combi weapons... sounds good It's a really tricky one as I don't really want to recommend cutting anything, but maybe one Breacher and one Warder? The Thunderhammer might be best on one of the other mooks as the you're not risking the flappy banner man (i.e. line) if you throw him in a challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagsta Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 8 hours ago, xxxjtmxxx said: for stone gauntlet you need 2 squads of wardens i think ok need to check this... 7 hours ago, SlickSamos said: Consider Solar Marshal or Stoic Defender as the Warlord Trait and I believe you are spot on with how the Combi-Plasmas work. I believe that as the ZM FOC has only one Compulsory Troops slot, OP is correct that they only need one Phalanx Warder Squad, but I'm not sure? It's a really tricky one as I don't really want to recommend cutting anything, but maybe one Breacher and one Warder? The Thunderhammer might be best on one of the other mooks as the you're not risking the flappy banner man (i.e. line) if you throw him in a challenge? thanks man! super helpful comments. yea I think I will cut 1 dude in each squad to finance other toys haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxjtmxxx Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 i dont know that there is a New zm force org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Yep. Its similar to the one before, just a few more slots and no room for primarchs. Its still requires just 1 troop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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