Wh40k 10th Edition Faction Focus: Space Marines

[spessmarine]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

But yes his special rules are relevant to Adeptus Astartes, which leaves a few questions unanswered. 

 

All knee before the liege.

[happyslugger]

I had noticed that also.  Does this mean he benefits other chapters like BA or SW also?

 

[sandrorect]

8 hours ago, jaxom said:

Something I noticed about Guilliman. He doesn't have an ULTRAMARINE keyword and neither do any of his special rules. Ultramarine Bodyguard just says ADEPTUS ASTARTES INFANTRY units. Primarch of the XIII just says ADEPTUS ASTARTES. So unless there's something they haven't shown us about Chapters yet....

 

I think is a army restriction: I the detachment army list would had a sentence that said "all your units must have the same "chapter" keyword"

 

This will be avoided use of Gulligam and Kayvan at the same time.

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, happyslugger said:

I had noticed that also.  Does this mean he benefits other chapters like BA or SW also?

 

At the moment, it looks as if that is the case but we are lacking a lot of information. There may be something as simple as a rule in the Detachment saying all units must come from the same <CHAPTER>.

 

We will have to wait a bit longer to find out. If Guilliman really can buff any Marines then I see a lot of Russ/Dorn/Vulkan etc proxies in 10th edition all "counting as" Guilliman.

[Dark Shepherd]

If theres variation from the codex marines detachments, Wolves & co players will be delighted with multiple detachment options; the great company subfactions we dreamed of :)

[Dracos]

I’ve played this game since RT and the needle hardly ever moves more than a twitch. 
 

You have to paint your marines red green grey or black to get the cool rules or your just vanilla. 
 

GW always says  paint your models how you like but if you want to compete with your models paint them like we tell you. 

[Scribe]

11 minutes ago, Dracos said:

I’ve played this game since RT and the needle hardly ever moves more than a twitch. 
 

You have to paint your marines red green grey or black to get the cool rules or your just vanilla. 
 

GW always says  paint your models how you like but if you want to compete with your models paint them like we tell you. 

 

I have never once see it enforced that the paint colour dictates the rules.

 

"Counts As."

[ZeroWolf]

39 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

I have never once see it enforced that the paint colour dictates the rules.

 

"Counts As."

In the games I've played, you're lucky if either of the armies are fully painted  

[Indy Techwisp]

10 hours ago, happyslugger said:

I had noticed that also.  Does this mean he benefits other chapters like BA or SW also?

 

 

BA and SW have their own separate codex.

So I highly doubt you can take Guilliman in their 'dex.

[Dracos]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

In the games I've played, you're lucky if either of the armies are fully painted  

 

 

I’ve played in a couple tournaments that were strict on marines with ultramarine chapter symbols and color not being allowed to play as the current flavor of meta. We all have our own anecdotal experiences. 

[Vermintide]

I will probably be in a minority here if I say that honestly, I kinda hope they dial back on the unique-ness of individual chapters. It kinda got to be a mess, and balancing the faction as a whole just never worked under all that strain. I always feel like it kinda Flanderises the chapters too.

 

I say that even being a player of one of the "snowflake" chapters with our own book for a long time; I wouldn't mind if it went back to being just single special rule that makes the difference. Marines is Marines, just give people the flexibility to field a detachment however they like to represent their flavour. The way Arks of Omen list-building works sort of already does that, albeit with some limitations, right? You can have your jump-pack heavy list, bike heavy list, whatever.

 

As long as they carry on in that sort of philosophy I think it'll be okay.

[Captain Idaho]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

BA and SW have their own separate codex.

So I highly doubt you can take Guilliman in their 'dex.

 

I was thinking on this... what if the Codex books for them are basically supplements, like the 3rd edition Codex books for them?

 

As they're already referring to Land Raiders carrying Wulfen, for example.

[Khornestar]

2 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

I was thinking on this... what if the Codex books for them are basically supplements, like the 3rd edition Codex books for them?

 

As they're already referring to Land Raiders carrying Wulfen, for example.

Could also be an index thing, perhaps? All chapters in one index, split it up once it’s codex time?

[Captain Idaho]

That's very true as well. Or the Index of DA etc references the Marines Index a lot.

 

That actually seems likely? Means GW could do some unique things with special rules of some common units I guess when they repeat the information in a standalone Codex.

Edited May 5, 2023 by Captain Idaho

[KiltedMarine]

35 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

I was thinking on this... what if the Codex books for them are basically supplements, like the 3rd edition Codex books for them?

 

As they're already referring to Land Raiders carrying Wulfen, for example.

This is my gut feeling as well.  I have no real evidence for it, but I suspect it strongly.

[jaxom]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

BA and SW have their own separate codex.

So I highly doubt you can take Guilliman in their 'dex.

 

21 minutes ago, KiltedMarine said:

This is my gut feeling as well.  I have no real evidence for it, but I suspect it strongly.

 

Yeah, I just don't see any of the Loyalists being anything other than ADEPTUS ASTARTES. Even Plague Marines are still HERETIC ASTARTES in addition to BUBONIC ASTARTES.

[KnightofSigismund]

I just want to know how to equip my hellblasters and heavy Intercessors, I’m not sure what will change weapon wise so I’m kind of stuck mid assembly. Has anyone heard anything on that front? 

[Captain Idaho]

Odds are they'll be generic one profile for all types weapons like Bolt Rifles. Can't guarantee that's how it'll pan out, but good odds of it.

 

You can wait until 10th?

[Schlitzaf]

Just to mention this, is that they IG us rules wise. Or that my fear anyways where anyone can take aby UU and doesn’t neccesarily lose/gain anytning

[Dark Shepherd]

4 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

I was thinking on this... what if the Codex books for them are basically supplements, like the 3rd edition Codex books for them?

 

As they're already referring to Land Raiders carrying Wulfen, for example.

Rules tease for other chapters or more likely saving on design/printing costs?

 

Theyve said already its separate codexes for the divergent chapters and we wont need main marine dex

[Indy Techwisp]

On 5/5/2023 at 7:07 PM, Captain Idaho said:

 

I was thinking on this... what if the Codex books for them are basically supplements, like the 3rd edition Codex books for them?

 

As they're already referring to Land Raiders carrying Wulfen, for example.

 

I think I mentioned this here already somewhere, but I rekcon either:
A) You're able to take "Cult Marines" as such from the Divergent Chapters Codex, like how CSM can take Rubrics from the TSons.
B) The Land Raider is the exact same across the Loyalist Marines, so the Datacard is just reprinted identically in all Loyalist Marine Codices.

I feel B is more likely as Wulfen are pretty much the only specific "type" of Marine that's not an option for base SM chapters (i.e. not a Terminator, Jump Pack unit, etc.).
They've already said that you do need to pick your chapter so you can't mix&match characters so I doubt you can just take Wulfen in any chapter.

Going of what we've been shown, the divergent Chapters having their own codex means that they're getting new models for them specifically, which to me only emphasises that this isn't a supplement situation, instead being a "shared units" situation, like how the older Genestealers codex printed Guard stats for your Brood Brothers.

[prava]

14 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I think I mentioned this here already somewhere, but I rekcon either:
A) You're able to take "Cult Marines" as such from the Divergent Chapters Codex, like how CSM can take Rubrics from the TSons.
B) The Land Raider is the exact same across the Loyalist Marines, so the Datacard is just reprinted identically in all Loyalist Marine Codices.

I feel B is more likely as Wulfen are pretty much the only specific "type" of Marine that's not an option for base SM chapters (i.e. not a Terminator, Jump Pack unit, etc.).
They've already said that you do need to pick your chapter so you can't mix&match characters so I doubt you can just take Wulfen in any chapter.

Going of what we've been shown, the divergent Chapters having their own codex means that they're getting new models for them specifically, which to me only emphasises that this isn't a supplement situation, instead being a "shared units" situation, like how the older Genestealers codex printed Guard stats for your Brood Brothers.

 

There might be a C option: the datacard we have seen is not the actual, complete one, but a mockup that displays information for many different codex.

[Mr. Oddity]

Confirmation in the Chaos Daemons preview today that a model/unit must select a single melee weapon to attack with per phase. Weapons with the [EXTRA ATTACKS] keyword are supplemental attacks that can be used in addition to the selected weapon.

[jaxom]

Huh, just occurred to me that with Pistol not being a type, that shooting while Engaged may be gone.

[SteveAntilles]

Isn't Pistol a special rule for guns?