Wh40k 10th Edition Faction Focus: Space Marines

[Lemondish]

8 hours ago, spessmarine said:

 

I presume that means we only get 24 faction focus articles then.

Sort of makes sense, the last one would then be June 2nd, preorder announcement on the 4th. Then a week of box show case, community painters for something sold out within minutes June 10th.

 

I figured we might have a 2-week pre-order window for this thing.

[ZeroWolf]

We do have a 2 week pre order window, preorders open on the 10th, it properly comes out on the 24th.

[Cleon]

Interesting that they are making the distinction of not giving Chapters a faction focus, but there was one for the World Eaters.

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, Cleon said:

Interesting that they are making the distinction of not giving Chapters a faction focus, but there was one for the World Eaters.

 

My guess is that it is because World Eaters are already a stand-alone codex and are not a subfaction of CSM anymore. Currently the BAs, DAs, SWs etc are supplements rather than standalone codices. My guess is that they will get a "lite" treatment when 10th edition drops and we will need to wait for their stand-alone codices to see how they look fully in 10th edition.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Am I wrong for holding out for a Blood Angels Faction Focus? I thought we were reading between the lines that DA, BA, SW & DW were going back to being their own codecies? 

[danodan123]

19 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Am I wrong for holding out for a Blood Angels Faction Focus? I thought we were reading between the lines that DA, BA, SW & DW were going back to being their own codecies? 

 

Yes, it was posted on the previous page that they aren't planning on doing one for Blood Angels :)

[Marshal Reinhard]

Faction focus article before 10th hits has no real bearing on wether a faction gets its own codex or not

[Dark Shepherd]

8 hours ago, BitsHammer said:

That's four articles we're not getting for sure now. If it wasn't for the Lion I'd assume DA would be 100% on that list as well.

All in favour of breaking the swear filter?

[Muck1ng]

These are all the indices that are coming.

 

From that I would say non codex chapters are getting their own codexes

[Vassakov]

It's an odd omission for sure.

 

Assuming a pre-order preview on Sunday 4th June, for pre-orders on 10th June 2023, there's still 15 working days and certainly less than 15 factions remaining so I don't think that's an issue. 

[ZeroWolf]

6 minutes ago, Vassakov said:

It's an odd omission for sure.

 

Assuming a pre-order preview on Sunday 4th June, for pre-orders on 10th June 2023, there's still 15 working days and certainly less than 15 factions remaining so I don't think that's an issue. 

I think possibly 10 left? That's looking at the index card preview from fest and taking away all the ones we know they won't do. However it's only 10 if they give the inquisitor stuff a rules preview. Given the data cards for the imperial Knights/chaos Knights are combined, their faction preview may be as well.

[Karhedron]

Maybe they just don't have enough information for subfactions to make a preview article worthwhile. I am expecting the Index versions of BA, DA, SW etc to be fairly lightweight. We probably need to wait until we get our own codices for anything more substantial.

[Dark Shepherd]

4 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Maybe they just don't have enough information for subfactions to make a preview article worthwhile. I am expecting the Index versions of BA, DA, SW etc to be fairly lightweight. We probably need to wait until we get our own codices for anything more substantial.

They better not be too lightweight given the slow roll of the codexes :)

[BitsHammer]

Went ahead and marked articles we have in red and ones we 100% know aren't coming in yellow.

[ZeroWolf]

Can't believe I forgot Grey Knights. Since they haven't ruled out Dark Angels, it's probably safe to assume we'll see the Lions new rule set as well, to compare with RG. Though, is this the fastest that some ones rules have been completely invalidated?

[TheMawr]

55 minutes ago, Muck1ng said:

These are all the indices that are coming.

 

From that I would say non codex chapters are getting their own codexes

 

There is a lot of confusion based in part on this picture, did they definitely say these present the factions of the indices or did they say these are the buyable index card sets ? ( because the images look like box covers for those.)

But when breaking it down people use Index Faction (focus), Codex Faction and Index decks ( possibly these images) all mixed up..

 

What I think is the case is that the index Factions are as close to the last edition armies as possible, hence those that where supplements are detachments for now ( it was said in the spacemarine article at the bottom that Space wolves, Blood angels and Dark angels are part of the Spacemarine faction but get their own detachment.) But its very likely they become true factions again when each of their codex rolls out ( but the first one is already a year from now.)

You're spacemarine players, that has the advantage that you get new stuff to buy more regularily... it has the disadvantage that GW will try to sell you as much as possible because they know it sells ;) ( in this case; Index spacemarine cards + Index your chosen detachment.. possibly codex spacemarines to tide you over for a year then when your codex comes that one AND the new faction cards deck... phew... )

 

This also likely means that... when it comes to faction focus articles, Chaos knights and Imperial knights are two seperate factions... I see no possiblity how they can be one faction divided by a detachment choice.

 

Another one that also actually might get a faction focus article, despite not having a seperate index deck; Harlequins (while I want them to fully integrate them.. I dont think that happens, at least not yet.) and that would bring the number to 14

 

Having said that, it would suprise me if they didnt do an article (maybe seperate from Faction focus articles.) quickly looking into the Spacemarine special flavor detachments.. it could be Faction focus #15 ( but a spacemarine 2.0 one, with a focus on the dark angels detachment and Lion datasheet.)

 

 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I think those are the purchasable index card sets, which to some degree implies they'll have a matching index. It becomes fuzzy as to whether Knights and Chaos Knights are in the same index and eventually codex, or if they remain separate, but condensed just in the index card packs.

 

As for the Dark Angels, etc., if they get access to the Gladius Strike Force as their main detachment, just with extra units, it could frankly just be uninteresting to have 5 days of that.

[TheMawr]

6 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

I think those are the purchasable index card sets, which to some degree implies they'll have a matching index. It becomes fuzzy as to whether Knights and Chaos Knights are in the same index and eventually codex, or if they remain separate, but condensed just in the index card packs.

 

As for the Dark Angels, etc., if they get access to the Gladius Strike Force as their main detachment, just with extra units, it could frankly just be uninteresting to have 5 days of that.

 

The spacemarine article already said they get their own detachment

 

"* Several other famously less conventional Chapters – including the likes of the Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels – will get their own unique Detachment rules. You’ll be able to choose which ones to use as you compose your army list."

 

Quoted all the way from the bottom.. the * references the Gladius strik force detachment.

 

 

edit:

Also thats precisely the confusion I meant, The knights and chaos knights for example are in one card deck, quite possibly in one index as well.. but they probably still be 2 seperate factions that dont actually share datasheets or keywords among each other. ( they, like harlequins, are just too small factions with a too small buyer base to warrant seperate card decks.) However the faction focus articles are not Index focus articles.. the exclusion of the marine chapters shows they are distinct things, and wether they share indexes, card decks or even codices.. still doesnt change they are in their current immediate form seperate factions and likely get seperate faction focus articles ( that is.. if one would assume that they want to fill 15 weekdays, wich I myself am not convinced of ;) )

Edited May 15, 2023 by TheMawr

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

I just want them to say "Blood Angels players, the thing that arguably most defines you, the Red Thirst, will be will be depicted on the table top day 1"

[WrathOfTheLion]

5 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

The spacemarine article already said they get their own detachment

 

"* Several other famously less conventional Chapters – including the likes of the Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels – will get their own unique Detachment rules. You’ll be able to choose which ones to use as you compose your army list."

 

Quoted all the way from the bottom.. the * references the Gladius strik force detachment.

Yes, but the attached statement is also

 

"This battle-tested formation is available to every Space Marine Chapter, whether they’re slavish adherents of the Codex Astartes or slightly more eccentric.*"

So we know they all get the Gladius strike force. We know they'll get their own detachments, but it remains to be seen what is available at index launch. If the special ones are saved for the Codex, then the faction article would be uninteresting.

Edited May 15, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[Arkhanist]

I fully expect the 10ed indexes to be pretty close to the 8th ed ones, where Blood Angels/Wolves/Dark Angels etc just had their differences listed compared to vanilla codex marines. However you slice it, and especially since the merging in of the subfactions to the main marine codex, the actual differences in terms of available units and their points is fairly small. What special sauce will be available is likely only going to be the custom detachment each, plus some 'can take this, can't take this' faction rules - not much to hang a faction focus on.

 

With the announcement that new codex = new model(s), I expect we'll have to wait for the new subfaction codex and potential primarisification of the unique units, though obviously expecting a full refresh for all in 10th is likely to lead to disappointment. DA seem likely to be getting some extra stuff to go with the Lion, BA have Dante, but outside that, such as sanguinary guard, deathwing, wolf guard etc, who knows.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Arkhanist

[ZeroWolf]

32 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

There is a lot of confusion based in part on this picture, did they definitely say these present the factions of the indices or did they say these are the buyable index card sets ? ( because the images look like box covers for those.)

But when breaking it down people use Index Faction (focus), Codex Faction and Index decks ( possibly these images) all mixed up..

 

What I think is the case is that the index Factions are as close to the last edition armies as possible, hence those that where supplements are detachments for now ( it was said in the spacemarine article at the bottom that Space wolves, Blood angels and Dark angels are part of the Spacemarine faction but get their own detachment.) But its very likely they become true factions again when each of their codex rolls out ( but the first one is already a year from now.)

You're spacemarine players, that has the advantage that you get new stuff to buy more regularily... it has the disadvantage that GW will try to sell you as much as possible because they know it sells ;) ( in this case; Index spacemarine cards + Index your chosen detachment.. possibly codex spacemarines to tide you over for a year then when your codex comes that one AND the new faction cards deck... phew... )

 

This also likely means that... when it comes to faction focus articles, Chaos knights and Imperial knights are two seperate factions... I see no possiblity how they can be one faction divided by a detachment choice.

 

Another one that also actually might get a faction focus article, despite not having a seperate index deck; Harlequins (while I want them to fully integrate them.. I dont think that happens, at least not yet.) and that would bring the number to 14

 

Having said that, it would suprise me if they didnt do an article (maybe seperate from Faction focus articles.) quickly looking into the Spacemarine special flavor detachments.. it could be Faction focus #15 ( but a spacemarine 2.0 one, with a focus on the dark angels detachment and Lion datasheet.)

 

 

Harlequins were already subsumed into the Aeldari codex in 9th mind, so I would expect them to get a mention tomorrow in some fashion (theyll likely be Detachment special rules)

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I just want them to say "Blood Angels players, the thing that arguably most defines you, the Red Thirst, will be will be depicted on the table top day 1"

 

This is where it gets a bit fuzzy. Marines get OOM as a faction bonus and GSF provides Doctrines as a Detachment bonus. Which of these will BA faction abilities replace? Will we get OOM replaced by Red Thirst while we keep Doctrines? 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Just now, Karhedron said:

Will we get OOM replaced by Red Thirst while we keep Doctrines?

If it was me in charge (god help us all), Yes I'd have Blood Angels have Red Thirst replace OOM and keep doctrines. For me, Red Thirst being genetically ingraned in all sons of Sanguinius should supercede everything. 

[TheMawr]

4 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

This is where it gets a bit fuzzy. Marines get OOM as a faction bonus and GSF provides Doctrines as a Detachment bonus. Which of these will BA faction abilities replace? Will we get OOM replaced by Red Thirst while we keep Doctrines? 

 

Honestly I feel like Im reading everything wrong, because it seems to not be written fuzzy at all to me; they are Spacemarine faction so keep OOM (wich is the faction bonus) but they are said to get a specific detachment, so that replaces Doctrines.

For the Index that is.

I still think, but that pure speculation for at least a year to come, when their codex comes, Red thirst etc. becomes their faction bonus and they become faction: Blood angels, and they will get a selection of detachments.. possibly one of wich replicating OOM so that they still effectively can be played "exactly" as they did in the index.