DemonGSides Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 It'll probably be; pick a weapon to make attacks with. If a unit is equipped with multiple melee weapons, you may make one extra attack with the weapon you didn't choose, or something like that, which at least somewhat ties it back in to the current rules. It can't be "Take all swings with all available" as that would turn the primarch into a legitimate blender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Malakithe said: Looks like this isnt the case for the faction focus as Necrons are next Aw shucks, mystery every day then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Captain Idaho said: As an Ultramarines player, even I would like Guilliman to only be able to use 1 melee weapon. Hopefully that'll be the rule in the core rules, as it just seems... overpowered. Even so, he's what, 14 attacks with the sword? Near double that of the swarmlords, with 25% the amount of swords. Most factions that aren't marines or chaos have lately been getting "primarch tier" models. Silent king for necrons, Thraka for orks. Swarmlord feels like it should have been their best candidate for a primarch tier model for nids, but he's not there at all. Will they be getting a bigger leader bug? Interrogator Stobz 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Wasn't there some daft rumours around an Apex Swarmlord or something silly like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said: Even so, he's what, 14 attacks with the sword? Near double that of the swarmlords, with 25% the amount of swords. Most factions that aren't marines or chaos have lately been getting "primarch tier" models. Silent king for necrons, Thraka for orks. Swarmlord feels like it should have been their best candidate for a primarch tier model for nids, but he's not there at all. Will they be getting a bigger leader bug? It would be a huge departure from where the Swarmlord currently exists in the Tyranid roster, so I doubt they'd make such a swing with that unit. The swarmlord is a 240pt unit in current rules, which isn't so far away from Gulliman, but is in a completely different organizational slot. I know those matter less in 10th, but it'd still be a big change from what his current role is to what a Lord of War is supposed to be. I would hope for a more bespoke LoW, or maybe the Screamer Killer could be buffed to that level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 He's good for sure, but not quite Primarch tier no. Obviously not every army needs something Primarch tier of course. Is he better than Abaddon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) Well the discussion is around Tyranid Lords of War, so that's what we're talking about, and Tyranids only have Forgeworld nonsense to field in that slot, and both of them err towards "Well, you wanted Titan Sized things." which is what half of the lord of war army slot was used for. The other half was absolute :cuss:ing beat-sticks that don't really fit the idea of HQ or Elites, such as the primarchs and then eventually things like The Silent King. Now, if Lord of War is now just a bespoke "The strongest dude you've got", i'm also okay with that, but would require some changes around the idea of what that slot is supposed to represent, and every force is gonna need some representation. Compared to Abby? No idea. His T5 is so weird and borderline upsetting that I don't have the heart to put effort into the mathhammer on it. Edited May 4, 2023 by DemonGSides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Yeah with the T increases of Guilliman and other big bads, I was surprised to see Abaddon go lower. I think the Swarmlord might take him in combat. Though I definitely agree that "other rules" is a nice tough for leaders of armies. It's not all about kicking buttocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Good chance it may be to have characters leading units all having the same toughness. Karhedron and tzeentch9 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clausel Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Captain Idaho said: As an Ultramarines player, even I would like Guilliman to only be able to use 1 melee weapon. Hopefully that'll be the rule in the core rules, as it just seems... overpowered. Im pretty sure you only can attack with one weapon. Based on the Legionares data. They have a ccw, bolt pistol and bolter. They can switch out the bolter for a chainsword. If they do that and can attack with both they would have 7 attacks each. It seems totally bonkers if it works like that. Also all captains and the like would all be given 2 different weapons so they could hit with a million attacks. I just dont see it being like that. Edited May 5, 2023 by Sir Clausel Karhedron and Interrogator Stobz 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) I guess the benefit of two of the same weapons= twinlinked, while Two different melee weapons = get to choose profile rather than fully utilize both. No mix and matching attacks if you got two different melee options then? Seems a bit restrictive, but I dont see a easy way of mixing guillimans options since attack numbers are different. Edited May 5, 2023 by Marshal Reinhard Interrogator Stobz and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoatibix Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 @Marshal Reinhard I think you might be right in the choice between profiles being the aim. Rather than one weapon with e.g. a sweep profile and a focused one your chose the weapon that would best suit the enemy you’re attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 On 5/3/2023 at 10:47 AM, KrakenBorn said: Not happy regarding the 2d6 damage -4AP anti tank gun though. Come on GW... I thought damage and AP were being scaled back? Either make it D6+2 or at least scale the AP back. It has been scaled check. Have you missed an the reduced AP thus far? Why do you feel strong anti-tank weaponry shouldn't exist in 40k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 It looks so far like the only units that carry really potent anti-tank weapons are tanks (or big monster in the case of Nids). This seems OK to me as it implies you will need tanks to efficiently counter enemy tanks and stop them running riot through your infantry. Infantry anti-tank weapons still exist but melta is now going to need a 5+ to wound against most vehicles. That means if you want to rely on infantry to take out tanks you will either need a lot of them or a lot of rerolls. Part of the problem with the increased lethality in 9th was that it was too easy for Eradicators, Fire Dragons and the like to vapourise vehicles. Tanks as a whole became a liability unless they had an Invulnerable save or a Damage mitigation rule. mel_danes and Khornestar 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prava Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Hey guys, On the new CRUSADE article on Warhammer Community, if you check the pictures, do you see some sort of floating Octopus? Its new, isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 This guy? It's a mucolid spore from the [rarely seen on tables] Tyrannocyte kit, released in 2014? danodan123 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoatibix Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Interesting. So the Barbgaunts purpose will be to mess with your opponents troops while the Neurogaunts allow you to cast a better synapses web over your forces...and be a meat shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanthous Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 I have to say, with all the talk of 'living artillery', I'm surprised to not see a particularly long range or some kind of indirect fire on the Barbgaunt's biocannon. HolyPestilience and Ammonius 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jscarlos18 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Nice to have more info, even if it's not full datasheets. Hopefully GW updates lictors and biovores so they are released from the sackles of resin. Xanthous 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarges Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 (edited) Haven't crossed my mind before what a force multiplier are mass Blast weapons on Infantry in this edition. Unit of 10 Barbgaunts firing in 10-man squad will have 20+10d6 shots. Edited May 12, 2023 by Sarges VengefulJan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 47 minutes ago, Sarges said: Haven't crossed my mind before what a force multiplier are mass Blast weapons on Infantry in this edition. Unit of 10 Barbgaunts firing in 10-man squad will have 20+10d6 shots. The disruption bombardment is nuts if you can split fire to different enemy units. Sarges 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoatibix Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 It does seem to be the classic ‘we made one shooty type of gaunt way better than the others’ all over again. Yes folks…it’s Groundgaunt Day! Khornestar, Kallas, Ammonius and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsky25 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Xanthous said: I have to say, with all the talk of 'living artillery', I'm surprised to not see a particularly long range or some kind of indirect fire on the Barbgaunt's biocannon. I dunno, I think this is quite strong enough thank you very much. They may have been better off with less shots honestly, they'll have horrible durability at this rate given how much the shooting profile will cost in comparison to their expected toughness. Fire support gaunts, and synapse gaunts, are neat niches to see expanded though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoatibix Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Yeah…what are Biovores and Exocrine going to be like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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