Anyone less excited for 10th than they were?

[Lord_Ikka]

11 hours ago, Mandragola said:

I find that I’m somewhat excited about 10th, but not at all about leviathan. I read through goonhammer’s review of all the models in the box and the main thing it made me feel was keen to get hold of some of the full kits, eventually. I’m not sure what else is in there that I need anyway: core rules that I now have on ibooks and a load of models that I don’t need. 
 

GH says that the tyrannid side is more of a starter army than the marines and that seems to be true. The marines feel like they’d fill out existing armies well, but not as well as the full kits. Given that we know the marine codex is coming fairly soon we shouldn’t have too long to wait for those. 

I'm getting the SM half of Leviathan and my buddy is getting the Nids- the savings is pretty good and most of the Leviathan models are decent/fit it with my current Primaris army in its theme of urban assault specialists. It definitely is more of an add-on force for SM than a starter, the Nids are much more suited to starting a new army- you'll need some sort of gravis unit to accompany the new Apothecary like Aggressors or Heavy Intercessors, and while the Infernus marines seem good for roasting gants they are a bit short-ranged to truly take the place of dedicated troops like Intercessors/Infiltrators. 

[Interrogator Stobz]

@ToxichobbitYep, I could buy 20 more tanks or none. 

The choice is GeeDubs....

Edited June 4, 2023 by Interrogator Stobz

[Doghouse]

4 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Lolz, just checked:

Last week I had a Legendary Chaplain Dreadnought and a Legendary Landraider Hyperios (sp).

This week I have (soon to be)  27 Legendary units. 28 if my Thunderhawk gets the shaft.

Yeah, not feeling the 10th vibe anymore. 

 

Great Success!!!

A few of the lads are starting a One Page Rules group.

They're getting sick of GeeDub shenanigans too.

No need to look forward to more poorly written rules designed to sell minis.

GeeDub still get to sell me Legends though 

 

27 minutes ago, Toxichobbit said:

My gaming group is in a similar situation. Some of us are just going to keep playing 9th. Some or us are considering OPR. And a couple of us are thinking about giving 10th a go. But none of us are excited and all of us hate multiple decisions GW have made with this edition. Considering most of us have played together since 2nd, this is the first edition where we have all been disappointed and disenchanted on such a scale that we are considering just skipping the edition entirely, which I could see resulting in at least some of us just not coming back.

 

But, 3 years of not caring about GWs FOMO obsession and pricing is a nice up side.

 

I feel the same way. I'm going to see what they do with Agents of the Imperium before committing to trying to get an army together for 10th but I have returned to 1st edition stuff and have small RT era Marine and Imperial Army forces on the go at the moment. I think I may play around with that as the game and setting are becoming something I really do not like or recognise anymore, I'm tired of the sales drama and the more I think about the Heresy stuff going to legends the more frustrated I get. It feels like more of a soulless corporate IP every day of late, the early days of GW were just more of an exploration of creativity to me.  

 

Chances are index 10th might be fun and I can see some positives like free rules but my gut says it'll be the same old model of paying for codexes that'll will be patched day one and eventual rules bloat.  

[appiah4]

7 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Lolz, just checked:

Last week I had a Legendary Chaplain Dreadnought and a Legendary Landraider Hyperios (sp).

This week I have (soon to be)  27 Legendary units. 28 if my Thunderhawk gets the shaft.

Yeah, not feeling the 10th vibe anymore. 

 

Great Success!!!

A few of the lads are starting a One Page Rules group.

They're getting sick of GeeDub shenanigans too.

No need to look forward to more poorly written rules designed to sell minis.

GeeDub still get to sell me Legends though 

 

Grimdark Future > 40K Rules any day.

 

That said if you are going down that route, just pay half the cost for your models and print them out as well.  There are way more flavorful Space Marine STLs out there.  Just sayin..

[Redcomet]

3 hours ago, Doghouse said:

 

 

I feel the same way. I'm going to see what they do with Agents of the Imperium before committing to trying to get an army together for 10th but I have returned to 1st edition stuff and have small RT era Marine and Imperial Army forces on the go at the moment. I think I may play around with that as the game and setting are becoming something I really do not like or recognise anymore, I'm tired of the sales drama and the more I think about the Heresy stuff going to legends the more frustrated I get. It feels like more of a soulless corporate IP every day of late, the early days of GW were just more of an exploration of creativity to me.  

 

Chances are index 10th might be fun and I can see some positives like free rules but my gut says it'll be the same old model of paying for codexes that'll will be patched day one and eventual rules bloat.  

Thats what happens when you go from 5 guys in a loft to 500 million £ revenue. And not being able to meet demand. GW will not and cannot go back to the whimsical days of yore.

[Redcomet]

1 hour ago, appiah4 said:

 

Grimdark Future > 40K Rules any day.

 

That said if you are going down that route, just pay half the cost for your models and print them out as well.  There are way more flavorful Space Marine STLs out there.  Just sayin..

Might as well go full Gw Hateboy and steal their IP. That will show them!

[Noserenda]

21 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

Thats what happens when you go from 5 guys in a loft to 500 million £ revenue. And not being able to meet demand. GW will not and cannot go back to the whimsical days of yore.

Except them going back to the nostalgia well for stuff has been extremely successful? In any case, you cant credit decisions coming to light now for their performance over the last 40 years... 

[Doghouse]

1 hour ago, Redcomet said:

Thats what happens when you go from 5 guys in a loft to 500 million £ revenue. And not being able to meet demand. GW will not and cannot go back to the whimsical days of yore.

 

Totally agree but doesn't mean we can't as hobbyists. 

[Redcomet]

11 minutes ago, Doghouse said:

 

Totally agree but doesn't mean we can't as hobbyists. 

For sure. And nostalgia is a powerful lure

[Rain]

36 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

For sure. And nostalgia is a powerful lure

 

Some older things were also, just, you know, better. With an artistic vision, designed by people that know and enjoy the setting, and that have creative freedom and not a checklist to meet drawn up from a meeting led by some corporate hat with no mind of his own, trying to copy some other successful property.

 

Sure visual design is subjective, but at least in the eyes of some people, older movies, games, cars, models, etc. might just be better in general. It’s not “nostaligia” if some/most newer media is not to your taste. For example, I don’t think anyone would argue that the RT dreadnoughts are the best looking despite being the oldest, but Castaferrum vs. Redemptor…

 

 

[Redcomet]

Just now, Rain said:

 

Some older things were also, just, you know, better. With an artistic vision, designed by people that know and enjoy the setting, and that have creative freedom and not a checklist to meet drawn up from a meeting led by some corporate hat with no mind of his own, trying to copy some other successful property.

 

Sure visual design is subjective, but at least in the eyes of some people, older movies, games, cars, models, etc. might just be better in general. It’s not “nostaligia” if some/most newer media is not to your taste. For example, I don’t think anyone would argue that the RT dreadnoughts are the best looking despite being the oldest, but Castaferrum vs. Redemptor…

 

 

I would argue that. 

 

And just because GW actually makes money now doesn’t mean that the people doing the creative work have just as much passion as the old guard. 

[Rain]

25 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

I would argue that. 

 

And just because GW actually makes money now doesn’t mean that the people doing the creative work have just as much passion as the old guard. 

It doesn’t *necessarily* mean that, but in practice it usually does. By trying to please more and more people in order to keep growing, focus is lost, and the result is usually bland and “corporate” as the kids might say.

 

All of that said, obviously it’s not universal. For example, I started in 3rd edition. The modern models are almost all better than 3rd ed models. Big examples are Dark Eldar, Nids, and Necrons. Especially Dark Eldar, god those models were hideous.

 

On the other hand, I prefer circa 5th edition models to many modern models. I loathe Primaris tanks with a passion, they are shapeless masses of guns and nonsense with no recognizable silhouette, theme, or homage to real vehicles. The old ones and the HH “reimaginings” of RT / 2nd ed designs are better.

 

On the *other* other hand (we have multiple other hands here, praise the star children), the previewed Tyranid models are good. To the point I might buy them just to paint. So, I am not saying that new product bad, old product good, necessarily. But I am saying that some older designs are better stylistically, even if they had a lower level of detail, and I am tired of older artistic works being written off as “nostalgia” when so much newer stuff is soulless dreck.

Edited June 4, 2023 by Rain

[Redcomet]

17 minutes ago, Rain said:

It doesn’t *necessarily* mean that, but in practice it usually does. By trying to please more and more people in order to keep growing, focus is lost, and the result is usually bland and “corporate” as the kids might say.

 

All of that said, obviously it’s not universal. For example, I started in 3rd edition. The modern models are almost all better than 3rd ed models. Big examples are Dark Eldar, Nids, and Necrons. Especially Dark Eldar, god those models were hideous.

 

On the other hand, I prefer circa 5th edition models to many modern models. I loathe Primaris tanks with a passion, they are shapeless masses of guns and nonsense with no recognizable silhouette, theme, or homage to real vehicles. The old ones and the HH “reimaginings” of RT / 2nd ed designs are better.

 

On the *other* other hand (we have multiple other hands here, praise the star children), the previewed Tyranid models are good. To the point I might buy them just to paint. So, I am not saying that new product bad, old product good, necessarily. But I am saying that some older designs are better stylistically, even if they had a lower level of detail, and I am tired of older artistic works being written off as “nostalgia” when so much newer stuff is soulless dreck.

I couldn’t disagree with you premise more if I tried. So lets just leave it at that.

 

I do agree that certain design choices in some minis are odd. 
 

But my god has Primaris reinvigorated my love for Space Marines. I can’t even look at a Smol Marine without giggling 

[Sea Creature]

I have for the most part enjoyed 9th edition, especially the high degree of customization available. I’m not super excited about 10th but really it was going to happen with the internet going on and on about how a full reset is needed… maybe the adage be careful what you ask for came true.

[Marshal Rohr]

I am also enjoying the ‘queuing’ system being absolutely no impediment to the scalpers beyond changing the time in the script. 

[Interrogator Stobz]

4 hours ago, Redcomet said:

 

But my god has Primaris reinvigorated my love for Space Marines. I can’t even look at a Smol Marine without giggling 

I constantly giggle at the silliness of Primaris, their names (LOL), their weapons (hahahaha ha), their vehicles (meh), their Dreads (LMAOROFL) their fluff (:cuss:) are all silly. 

 

Legendary SMs are so much cooler, even if the older sculpts aren't as sharp, and the new HH Legends sculpts are removing that difference too.

So subjectivity is a thing.

 

To keep this on track and relevant though, the impact the cull is having on my interest in 10th is far greater than the existence of the different sides of the divide.

I'm glad Primaris helps people like the game.

 

More units for everyone is good.

Less units for anyone is bad.

Edited June 4, 2023 by Interrogator Stobz
Merge

[spessmarine]

3 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

I am also enjoying the ‘queuing’ system being absolutely no impediment to the scalpers beyond changing the time in the script. 

 

Maybe just how I'm reading this in my head, but this tweet made me giggle.

"Hopefully, this will prevent people from this sort of activity"

"Hopefully", the total lack of confidence

 

 

[carnosaur93]

I started tuning out midway through 8th edition, 9th completely lost me, and i was hoping 10th would clean up the mess of the game and all its layers on layers on layers of special rules and abilitites and army wide whatevers... then i saw the previews and its pretty clearly going in the opposite direction, adding even MORE layers of clutter

I've been working on a homebrew game system with my husband for a little while, and 10th edition of warhammer just made us both all the more certain that we were making the right choice doing so
first draft is done if anyone is interested, its ready for playtesting... its very compact, simple, flexible, and completely model/setting agnostic.

Edited June 4, 2023 by carnosaur93
fixed typo

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

30 minutes ago, spessmarine said:

 

Maybe just how I'm reading this in my head, but this tweet made me giggle.

"Hopefully, this will prevent people from this sort of activity"

"Hopefully", the total lack of confidence

 

 

i feel there's a very easy way to avoid scalpers...limit orders to 2 per person, require pre-orders to go through a store, either in person or via phone, and require a credit card, all pre-orders go into a database and any duplicates orders under the same name and addressed are flagged for follow up.

might not completely put an end to scalpers 100% but it will cut down on it quite a lot.

[Marshal Rohr]

Stores with trade accounts are selling at mark up on the side. They might have a few in store but trade account abuse is not an insignificant percentage of the mark up driver. 

[Sea Creature]

The shop I’m getting mine it’s MSP.

[Lord_Ikka]

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[ThePenitentOne]

Let's say that my impressions of 10th have been a real tug of war. 

 

There is good- a lot of it. But there's almost an equal amount of bad. And what dexes look like is really going to be the thing that swings it one way or the other... And it's still quite a bit of a wait until those come. I forget which dexes beyond SM and Nids have been announced so far, but Drukhari and Sisters will make or break the edition for me. I do play other factions... But those ones are the most important.

 

I also have to houserule things because I like 500 point games, and those no longer exist (except Arks of Omen and Combat Patrol, which are both too limited and separated from the core rules to be much use in a 500-3k escalation campaign).

[ZeroWolf]

As a reminder:

as it stands there will be no Drukhari or Sisters till at least Summer 2024