Kits in direst need of replacement/updates

[gaurdian31]

I'm in the all finecast needs plastic models first boat. Warp Spiders first. After that is done then Catachans deserve a refresh. Then chaos bikers, huron, defiler and predators/land raiders for chaos to better fit our aesthetic.

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

This just popped into my head, but plastic versions of Trazyn and Orikan please. Love the infinite and the divine but I don't want to deal with finecast.

I'm pretty sure that the unresolved Necron Rumour Engine is going to be one of these two, especially considering the Infinite and the Divine reference in today's Rumour Engine. I think it's just a matter of time, though possibly through to Winter when the Necron dex releases, which I think is when our model release window will be.

[Special Officer Doofy]

Finecast models first. After that I would like a new Chaos rhino, predator and land raider, their own kits and not loyalist ones with spikes. Defiler and soul grinder could use newer models, ones with bases. I don't mind large tanks not having bases, but the crab legs annoy me.

 

Others have mentioned the Helbrute model is not too old, but It feels super small to me.

 

Im sure there are alot of xenos stuff that could use some love.

[Felix Antipodes]

Finecast must die!  Then let’s get some of the other suggestions above sorted.  The remaining Eldar aspect warriors really need an update/refresh and there are a lot of chaos kits that need resizing/updating as well.

My personal want is for all the Imperial Guard regiments to get the same treatment as the Cadians.  Not just the Catachans.  All the big ones in the lore.  Hell, I’d like to see a series of Kill Team boxes in a ‘platoon’ series similar to the Combat Patrol ones, each box featuring a different regiment.  Give me Vostroyans, Catachans, Krieg, Mordians, etc.

[sitnam]

13 minutes ago, Felix Antipodes said:

Finecast must die!  Then let’s get some of the other suggestions above sorted.  The remaining Eldar aspect warriors really need an update/refresh and there are a lot of chaos kits that need resizing/updating as well.

My personal want is for all the Imperial Guard regiments to get the same treatment as the Cadians.  Not just the Catachans.  All the big ones in the lore.  Hell, I’d like to see a series of Kill Team boxes in a ‘platoon’ series similar to the Combat Patrol ones, each box featuring a different regiment.  Give me Vostroyans, Catachans, Krieg, Mordians, etc.

I'd bet we get new Catachans in KT, but I could see if being fairly unpopular with the KT  community. No matter how cool they have been, much of the community has disliked the multiple "guard" teams released (Arbites, Kasrkin, Breachers, etc). I'm not one of those though, I'd much rather get esoteric and weird lore forces

 

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Catachan infantry.

26 minutes ago, EnsignJoker said:

Upscale Grey Knights would be a real positive for me. An expanded ork boyz kit would be up there on the list too. 
 

The obvious ones are echoes of the remaining aspect units, Phoenix lords, usual Dark Eldar suspects, and remaining fine cast space marine hero characters. 
 

One I haven’t seen mentioned yet are Armageddon Steel Legion troopers or other suitably great coated, gas masked, grim dark guardsmen. 
 

The old limited edition metal witch hunter inquisitor with the bionic arm and plasma gun. That model was awesome. 

Gas masked, great coated guardsmen already got an update 

[Urauloth]

4 hours ago, Toxichobbit said:

There is a lot of good suggestions in here, but all of them pale in comparison to Warp Spiders. 

 

Every time this subject comes up, Warp Spiders are way up there on people's lists of minis that need updating, and every few years when the topic cycles back up again it's like... so much worse. Poor lil guys.

 

For me personally it's the CSM tanks. The LR in particular. The Chaos vehicle upgrade kit is a long way past its prime, too.

[OttoVonAwesome]

So many kits have been replaced that at this point I can't imagine GW is thinking shiny new units anymore because the ones that have been left behind are so out of date now I can't imagine anyone actually buying them but coming to mind yeah Chaos Bikers, Raptors look terrible but aren't that old but mostly, any old necron or 30 year old Craftworld models desperately need updates. If I can print a better version of it then it definently needs an update and Catachans. It's unfair to tease people with limited edition cool looking catachans then do nothing.

[OttoVonAwesome]

3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Catachan infantry.

Gas masked, great coated guardsmen already got an update 

Kind of. A half assed one and I wouldn't consider steel legion as greatcoated. They deserve an update too and Lascarbine rules. For both.

Edited May 31, 2023 by OttoVonAwesome

[Helias_Tancred]

I'll keep it close to home ...

 

The Sanguinor

Brother Corbulo

Astorath

Gabriel Seth

Kaldor Draigo (needs the Crowe re-make)

Space marine scouts

Ezekiel

Asmodai

Pedro Kantor

Vulkan He'stan 

 

Thats not a complete list but just wanted to toss some of the ones I think of ..... 

 

[Ulfast]

I agree with you guys, all finecast need to be updated. Otherwise my top three units to update are:

 

1. Genestealers ( I relaly dont like them and I think they can be so cool)

 

2. Emperors children (will propably get this under this edition and I think it would be great)

 

3. Soul grinder

[Burni]

My completely selfish list:

• Scouts (inc sniper rifles)
• As said above a non monopose Ork Boyz kit
• Pedro Kantor
• Kapt Badrukk
• Ork Mek with KFF
• Non monopose Primaris Outriders

[Magos Takatus]

21 hours ago, apologist said:

I've always had a soft spot for basic infantry, so I think my preferences will always favour those. Bearing that in mind, my suggestions for:

 

The top three most deserving:

• Catachan Jungle Fighters – some of the oldest and least-loved plastics in the GW range, the infantry squad in particular seems like the lowest-hanging fruit of all: perfect as a standalone release for Kill Team, as part of a follow-up wave for the Imperial Guard range, and as a showcase for how the 10th edition Detachment concept works. 
• Swooping Hawks and Warp Spiders – While some other Aspects would also benefit from an update, I think these two are most urgently deserving. Both epitomise the 'move fast, strike hard' core concept of Craftworld Eldar, and both are kits that would particularly benefit from the advances in technology available to GW today. 
• Grey Knights in Aegis armour – I'm not a fan of Grey Knights (or Deathwatch, or Custodes for that matter) as a standalone army, but in pure terms of kits that reek of being from a different design and production paradigm, the Grey Knights stand out like a heroically-scaled thumb. By virtue of being visually quite distinct from the equivalents in other Marine armies, the Grey Knight Terminator kits aren't as badly off, but the aegis-armoured ones look very peculiar. Again, a single release with two sets of options, and a large Black Templar-style upgrade sprue for the other two sets of options, would be a cost-effective way to give this army a huge boost.

Top three runners-up:

• Fire Dragons and Striking Scorpions – Both would benefit from new kits, but (subjectively, of course) these are better-looking kits than the Swooping Hawks and more modern than the Warp Spiders. Secondly, their roles – close assault and anti-tank – are important but not quite as iconic to the overall Eldar faction to bump the other two from my list.
• Vespid Stingwings – Full of potential, but rather pedestrian, static sculpts. Another good avenue for exploring as a Kill Team release, where the designers could have lots of fun around communion helms, additional/alternative equipment loadouts, and they'd also provide a fun injection of nimble but not necessarily super-fast mobility in the over Kill Team game.
• Noise Marines – These, I suspect, will be coming out sooner rather than later, but as @Evil Eye says, it's notable that this iconic unit entry doesn't have a decent way to be represented. Hell, a 'tide-you-over' upgrade sprue of guns, heads and shoulder pads for the new Chaos Legionaries kit would be great ahead of the inevitable Codex: Emperor's Children, and would continue to offer some vital variety in the Prince Of Pleasure's armies long after the full army is released.

...and three personal choices:

• Thousand Sons Rubric Marines – For much the same reasons as the Grey Knights above, it's a crying shame that this kit is likely to remain untouched for years. It's a serviceable kit, and that's damning it with faint praise. Enlarged to match the new Khorne Berserkers, an imaginative update could really sell the idea of these inexorable empty suits of armour – perhaps incorporating design concepts like the wonderful Light of Eltharion model from Age of Sigmar, where parts of limbs are missing. Likewise, incorporating swirling effects to suggest billowing dust or clouds of swirling magic surrounding them could really invest them with character and movement without sacrificing their core concept of near-mindless automatons.
• Ork boyz – The new kit is lovely – but it's far too limited in terms of potential. The ork boyz kit should have been much closer to the new Kroot kit – largely backwards-compatible, and absolutely bursting with variety.
• Tactical Marines – Dare I suggest this? Yes. It's very much coals to Newcastle, but I personally would love to see an updated Tactical Squad scaled to match Primaris marines, decked out mostly with Mark VII. In addition to bringing easy kitbashing back, it would (selfishly!) allow me to explore the years between the HH and modern 40k. 

I agree entirely. Swooping Hawks got upstaged by Scourges years ago and need too look thinner and more graceful. I wouldn't need to see a super agile looking Warp Spider squad but some subtle reposing and re-scaling could really help out. I really want to see a Vespid Kill Team because the original concept art for them was amazing and the slightly goofy looking heads the models received and the chunky wings let them down. 

 

I just finished working on an Eldar Fire Prism and the sharpness of the original chassis/hull parts compared to the weapon/turret parts is actually quite visible. The panel lines are easier to paint on the newer parts.

 

A Proper flexible or Boyz kit would be welcome. The new sculpts look nice but the layout of that box was baffling.

 

The rate that GW has been refreshing old kits lately is quite impressive.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Magos Takatus

[Evil Eye]

Good calls, everyone!

 

I would definitely agree on Swooping Hawks and Warp Spiders. I'd argue Hawks need it more, but both could use the refresh. A new Falcon and Vyper would be nice too given the sheer age of them, though I sincerely hope when they do get refreshes that they don't change the designs too much, as they're both iconic looking models.

 

I'm not sure what to think of a specific Chaos version of the Rhino and LR. If they did a Chaos Rhino like the Sororitas version, where it shares parts but has significantly different bodywork, I can see that working, though honestly I think the standard Rhino is a perfectly fine kit- the Land Raider as mentioned in the OP is (IMO) in need of a refresh, but I wouldn't want a Chaos Land Raider to come at the expense of an Imperial one.

 

A new Huron would be nice, though I personally feel that scale aside the old one is a nice sculpt and I'd want a refresh to be faithful to it.

[Marshal Reinhard]

The correct answer is always anything and everything that still exists that hasn't gone to plastic yet. Units still relying resin of old pewter models. Doesn't matter if they're eldar, space marine characters, or what not.

 

After that it'd be older plastic kits that have not aged well. Space marine scouts is a good example. I'm sure there are more.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Marshal Reinhard

[2PlusEasy]

It's a scary thought that the "new" Dark Eldar range has been around for 13 years now: longer then the original range was sold for. Despite this, there's a few kits in that "modern" model range that need replacing: Mandrakes, Grotesque and beasts in particular. And, personal opinion, the plastic Archon is a dud compared to its metal predecessor and needs to go. 

 

I also agree with most of the previous suggestions: Eldar aspect warriors, failcast characters and vehicles. Non-Cadian Imperial Guard. Grey Knight proportions (which once again are now older and have been sold longer then the original metal Grey Knights range) etc etc.

 

My only gripe is every time they upgrade a kit, they nearly double the price and make them less compatible for cross-range kitbashing. Ork Boys are a good example of this: the old kit was 10 Orks with all weapon options and fully compatible with the rest of the plastic kits in the range for $48 AUD. The new Orks were $77 AUD and were push-fit models with zero compatibility with other kits (prices have gone up since)

Edited June 3, 2023 by 2PlusEasy

[Magos Takatus]

I still refer to them as the "New Dark Eldar" and get confused when they say Drukhari models need to be updated. That's quite the wake up call!

[Rain]

3 hours ago, 2PlusEasy said:

It's a scary thought that the "new" Dark Eldar range has been around for 13 years now: longer then the original range was sold for. Despite this, there's a few kits in that "modern" model range that need replacing: Mandrakes, Grotesque and beasts in particular. And, personal opinion, the plastic Archon is a dud compared to its metal predecessor and needs to go. 

 

The Jes Goodwin DE range are some of the best models GW has ever produced, and hold up, at least in the case of the plastics. That said, agree 100% on the plastic Archon. The pose just looks goofy. Like he is standing on his tip toes, with that weird Egyptian hands crossed across the chest pose. He looks insecure, and kind of pathetic. Like he’s trying to not look shorter than his date.

 

The metal/finecast model had a much more “open” pose that projected a stately kind of arrogance. Sword held to the side and hanging down. Chest visible, stepping forward slightly. He looks like a proper swashbuckling space pirate soul vampire, daring you to take your best shot.

 

Many modern models suffer from a lack of artistic vision. They substitute being covered in little doodads for clever posing and purposeful use of details to show what the model is supposed to be about. Not all, of course, I actually like many of the new Tyranids for example, but this is definitely a trend since they went to CAD design.

[Red_Shift]

Completely agree with the other suggestions.

 

I would likely to humbly suggest the IG basilisk, an ancient kit that would benefit from a remake to include heavier artillery types as well - bombard etc.

 

Im also rather fond of the Salamander scout tank.

 

Ratlings to plastic.

 

Servitors are iconic and listed in several codexes without models being easily available

[Halandaar]

Imo it needs doing in age order; the oldest stuff still in production needs replacing first. Eldar top that list (Warp Spiders, Falcon chassis, Vyper and all the Phoenix Lords barring Jain Zar and Maugan Ra are all from 2nd Edition), along with the Catachan infantry, Basilisk and various character minis like Corbulo, the preachers and missionaries in the SoB range and stuff like that.

[Redcomet]

I would be surprised if the 2 Grey Knight squad boxes don’t get replaced this cycle. That would be a full army done and nee then. And a popular one at that.

 

But yes the Falcon, Vyper and Wraithlord kits are showing their age a lot. The Falcon would be a good reason to bundle it with the Wave Serpent. And the Vyper could be made with a fighting platform for that Saim Hann guy who hangs out on one.

[Evil Eye]

I would disagree on the Wraithlord myself- it's not the most dynamic kit but I feel the statuesque, stoic posing is part of the identity of Wraith Constructs and having it backflipping off a tactical rock would completely undermine that. It's also about as detailed as it needs to be IMO and outside of a few moldlines isn't especially worn.

 

Definitely agree on the Falcon and Vyper; as long as theoretical updates were in line with the plastic Hive Tyrant (design-wise almost completely identical but with improved details and parts breakdown, and also lots of extra parts) I'd love to see them refreshed. I feel a large part of the reason they haven't been is GW feels (understandably so) they got them right the first time, but the molds are worn to hell and back.

[ThePenitentOne]

On 5/30/2023 at 9:59 PM, sitnam said:

no matter how cool they have been, much of the community has disliked the multiple "guard" teams released (Arbites, Kasrkin, Breachers, etc). I'm not one of those though, I'd much rather get esoteric and weird lore forces

 

 

Are you sure about this? Because I love ALL of those kits. I was (and still am) praying to the Emperor for HQ's for all three of those. I haven't assembled my Krieg yet, but I think with the upgrades from the KT I could coble together a command squad? The Arbites box making three separate units is awesome. Just. Need. Those. HQs.

 

Sorry for the off-topic.

[appiah4]

Inceptors.  Please get rid of the godawful jumppacks, dumb secondary helmets, lousy springboots and armored guns, just give them the jumppack Dante has and a sensible armor.  They are uglier than 99% of the Space Marine line, second only to the plastic Space Marine Scouts kit.  Speaking of which - how has that kit actually survived so long?  Who is buying those blockheads?

Edited June 7, 2023 by appiah4

[sitnam]

23 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Are you sure about this? Because I love ALL of those kits. I was (and still am) praying to the Emperor for HQ's for all three of those. I haven't assembled my Krieg yet, but I think with the upgrades from the KT I could coble together a command squad? The Arbites box making three separate units is awesome. Just. Need. Those. HQs.

 

Sorry for the off-topic.

Oh I agree with you, it's just what I've seen amongst some of the KT community. It's not the minis themselves, more of a gaming thing from what I've seen.