Kits in direst need of replacement/updates

[Wibbling]

Apologies for late to the thread - has anyone mentioned Bloodletters? 

[kabaakaba]

LRBT it's really looks awful. With all that flat surfaces.

[Jscarlos18]

12 hours ago, Wibbling said:

Apologies for late to the thread - has anyone mentioned Bloodletters? 

the main daemons maybe need an update? Bloodletters, Daemonettes, Horrors, Tzaangors and Plaguebearers

[DemonGSides]

22 hours ago, kabaakaba said:

LRBT it's really looks awful. With all that flat surfaces.

 

Eh, there's a HH version you can get that's even uglier but at least is updated. The only downside is splitting the kit into two boxes to cover all options. 

[Scribe]

On 12/4/2025 at 1:51 AM, Jscarlos18 said:

the main daemons maybe need an update? Bloodletters, Daemonettes, Horrors, Tzaangors and Plaguebearers

 

Last I had some, I thought PBs were still great.

 

I want the SM tanks to get a glow up. New Rhino/Pred/Land Raider and dropping the Primaris rule? I would be tempted to start a Marine collection.

[Indy Techwisp]

Couple things I can think of that need a new kit sooner rather than later:

- The entire Catachan range.

- Generic Jump Chaplain.

- SM Outriders and Supressors (need a proper multipart kit).

- Most of the Daemon range.

[LSM]

On 12/3/2025 at 12:18 AM, W.A.Rorie said:

A good example of a rhino Kit upgrade is Adepta Sororitas rhino where a sprue of accessories can make it chaos but not all possessed. 

 

I've been trying to bang the drum about a suite of new Chaos Vehicles upgrade sprues, and yeah: the Sisters' Rhino is quite the gold standard. (Though I'd make it less Rhino-specific; so that they could also be packaged with Land Raiders.)

 

But a new one for CSMs, updating all those bits that are looking a little off; and then ones for each of the four Cult Legions.

[Evil Eye]

On 12/3/2025 at 9:34 PM, Wibbling said:

Apologies for late to the thread - has anyone mentioned Bloodletters? 

Daemonettes and Bloodletters could both stand an upgrade; current 'letters are a great design, to be fair, but the mouldlines are horrific and I suspect the mould itself is pretty exhausted. Daemonettes meanwhile were controversial when they came out and the march of time has not done them any favours. Horrors IMO were a straight downgrade from their previous generation, though I doubt they'll be refreshed. Plaguebearers are fine.

[Dalmyth]

On 12/3/2025 at 4:39 AM, Marshal Reinhard said:

Desolation squad too please. I've tried to like them, I really have. but...

I'm not sure if it would ever really help, but it always felt odd to me that they weren't a Gravis unit. They just feel like such an obvious unit to be in Gravis, but just... aren't for some reason.

[Jukkiz]

What Desolator box needs is actually just unit with Sergeants box launcher, but 4 tubed one. 

Not weird mixture or one shot guns and revolver mini-missile ratchet&Clank guns. 

Suppressors needs their own box, 5man, read GW. FIVE MAN BOX. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Horrors do need updating. Bloodletters and Plaguebearers could use a glow up but at least aesthetically look good. The Daemonettes are just horrible. 

 

Sadly I think 3 man Squads are going to be more common. Like with Flawless Blades or many recent marine units. And I simply don't believe this is for any gaming reason, just shrinkflation/corporate greed.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Um can we redo vehicle kits so they come with all their upgrade options again?

[Evil Eye]

47 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Um can we redo vehicle kits so they come with all their upgrade options again?

"You asked, we listened- all vehicle upgrade rules have been removed!" -GW, probably.

 

On a semi-related note, I have a Falcon/Wave Serpent kit coming in the post. Will be interesting to finally build one; I've always loved the design, but it has come up several times in this very thread (including from me!) so I do want to see how it holds up.

[TheArtilleryman]

6 hours ago, Jukkiz said:

What Desolator box needs is actually just unit with Sergeants box launcher, but 4 tubed one. 

Not weird mixture or one shot guns and revolver mini-missile ratchet&Clank guns. 

Suppressors needs their own box, 5man, read GW. FIVE MAN BOX. 

They look like the Mask

 

[jaxom]

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[Craig]

If really like to see a new jokaero model. Maybe for the next Warhammer quest game. Such a fun little throwback character.

[Jukkiz]

On 12/17/2025 at 8:32 PM, jaxom said:

Ah, the good old

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[Magos Takatus]

On 12/17/2025 at 5:56 PM, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Horrors do need updating. Bloodletters and Plaguebearers could use a glow up but at least aesthetically look good. The Daemonettes are just horrible. 

 

Sadly I think 3 man Squads are going to be more common. Like with Flawless Blades or many recent marine units. And I simply don't believe this is for any gaming reason, just shrinkflation/corporate greed.

While I agree with the shrinkflation thing, I am expecting this is a market research thing too. I bet they have figured out how many models in a squad people paint before they start getting bored, and I bet that's closer to three than five, and closer to six than ten. I am sure there are outliers that love slapping three colours on a bucket of Orks, but I imagine most people start to slow down after painting about three models if they look very similar. If it was 100% shrinkflation we might not still be experiencing scale creep with updated models.

[sitnam]

9 hours ago, Magos Takatus said:

While I agree with the shrinkflation thing, I am expecting this is a market research thing too. I bet they have figured out how many models in a squad people paint before they start getting bored, and I bet that's closer to three than five, and closer to six than ten. I am sure there are outliers that love slapping three colours on a bucket of Orks, but I imagine most people start to slow down after painting about three models if they look very similar. If it was 100% shrinkflation we might not still be experiencing scale creep with updated models.

 

I dont think size of squad or the size of models are the only metrics. Options is another, and sprue size. Compared to the Slaangor Fiendbloods, units like Flawless Blades and Bladeguard have more sprue space and build options and seem way better value. Compared to Sternguard/Sword Brethren, it seems like a ripoff

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I doubt there's much in it between 3 and 5 models in terms of painting commitment. I can't imagine a scenario where someone would paint 3 flawless blades and then decide two more is just too much of an obstacle to overcome. 

 

I can see GW doing what they have been doing over the past few years, the same as every Corp, which is aggressive shrinkflation to satisfy late stage capitalism and keep profits, dividends and share value unsustainably high. 

 

Or maybe I'm just cynical. I know I have zero faith in any public institution, private business or individual. Only humans screw each over for a percentage. I think a woman called Ripley said something about that. 

[Evil Eye]

5 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

I can see GW doing what they have been doing over the past few years, the same as every Corp, which is aggressive shrinkflation to satisfy late stage capitalism and keep profits, dividends and share value unsustainably high. 

 

GW have been doing that for a good long while now, and tricked us into thinking we're getting a better product when they do it. If you look at modern infantry kits, whilst yes they have more parts packed onto the sprues, they also require far more parts per model to assemble. Combined with the jigsaw-fit monopose construction and you get far less mileage out of an infantry kit than you would if they had kept the more conventional approach to design- "repeats" become much harder to avoid and even though you have many more parts on the sprue, you have the same (or fewer!) number of actual models from a box. If you had modern "sprue density" applied to a classic-style modular infantry kit with the same number of sprues and the same price, you could fit far, far more models into the box (and have far more customizability) and thus much better value for money than you would with the current approach to kit design. And with advances in the actual sculpting and tooling/moulding technology compared to "back then" whilst you'd have a very, very slight decrease in overall detail of individual models, we're talking stuff like not being able to look up a model's skirt, not returning to pre-3rd edition plastic model quality.

 

I could go on a tangent that "late stage capitalism" is itself a bit of a misnomer and that capitalism itself (which is a very, very broad descriptor of sociopolitical function that basically boils down to "the individual exists and can own property") is not the problem- rather, the problem is that the people that have entrenched themselves in power are deliberately and maliciously abusing the system to breaking point, so they can go "See? We can't have a free market, we need a collectivist state where everything is controlled and centralized! By us, of course!" and that with people like these in positions of power, any system is doomed to failure and to devolve into a miserable tyranny, but that is not a discussion for the B&C.

[Magos Takatus]

I'm not exactly sure where I fall on the side of unit options and value in GW box sets. While it does annoy me when  I can't choose weapon loadouts for my models because no options are supplied on the sprue, when I look at my squads of Skitarii soldiers I don't necessarily feel I've got better value when I know I've paid for a bucket of spare arms and heads that don't contribute to the finished model and will likely sit in a bits box forever, waiting for the day I might use one or two of them for a conversion or some base detailing.

 

While dual build kits are great for GW to get more bang for their buck from a unit variety vs SKU bloat point of view, and the advantage it allows a consumer to buy a Schrodinger's miniature box and decide later how they will assemble that unit, the sheer amount of unused plastic at the end feels like bad value for me. 

[Craig]

They should really bring back the exalted champion as the primaris lieutenant equivalent. Very few people want more primaris lieutenant models with a slightly different pose or load out but just think how unique you could make each chaos champion.

[skylerboodie]

• Coteaz
• Sanguinary Guard
• Catachans
• modern Ork faces (I miss Kev Adams' era - so much character!)
• Wulfen
• Nobz
• Painboy, Weirdboy, & Mek
• Chaos Spawn (current kit is (to me) so ugly, won't buy it)
• Ogryns (faces...)
• Wracks (corsets/waists)
• Astorath (don't like new one at all; similar but just 'off' IMHO)
• Ballistus Dreadnought

[Kaldoth]

I know I'm late, and this has been mentioned already, but Chaos Bikers.

 

IMO, bikers have always been one of the coolest units in the Space Marine arsenal, loyalist or heretic. What's cooler than a genetically perfected superhuman? A genetically perfected superhuman on a motorcycle  Add in a bad guy persona and it gets even better. 

 

I can deal with the out of date, copy/paste loyalist tank kits with an extra sprue thrown in, but Chaos Bikers stick out like a sore thumb. Give me new bikes! And a Doomrider refresh! 

 

 

 

Edited January 21 by Kaldoth